Shrinking output when printing 2 up.

I have spent a couple hours on this and I am getting some wierd results.

I have set a custom template to 5.5 wide by 8.5 tall, half a letter size page. I format everything, then I want to print 2 to a page.

Which would be 11 wide by 8.5 in landscape. I get the 2 two a page, and it is in landscape, but it looks like it has shrunk anywhere from 10 to 20%. I have giant margins all around the page, but the View on the screen shows all the same words, same page breaks in place as what is printed. I do not get these kind of problems of shrinkage when I straight print.

Any ideas?

iMac, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Dec 4, 2009 11:06 PM

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Dec 5, 2009 7:14 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

I did that, and it messes up the display to the screen

While some other sizes can be chosen in Paper Handling while printing, that no margin Letter size can not. Letter borderless can, and there I still have the scaling issue.

It displays fine on screen 1 page at a time, or 2, but when trying to print 2 pages even the little preview window before printing looks fine. Then printing, or what I know do, preview in PDF to save paper and ink since this is not working, always shrinks.

Dec 5, 2009 9:11 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

The reason to have a template set up for 5.5 Wide by 8.5 high, is so that you can have different headers and footers on each page.

It is how a book looks.

So then this looks right when viewing the display, the monitor. Now going to print that out, since 5.5 x 2 is 11, 11 by 8.5 is a letter size piece of paper in Landscape. Thus if I want to print 2 of my 5.5 by 8.5 to 1 page, then should that not work.

What happens is that it does print 2 to a page, but it shrinks down the result by 10 to 20 percent. The font is reduced and the margin has grown larger.

I have reset the choice of paper in paper handling to letter paper both with border or borderless so that it knows we are printing on an Letter size paper.

So it is not a question of following instructions. There is some control code somewhere that is making things shrink.

If one were to print the item as 1 page to a sheet, then the fonts do not shrink, the margin does not increase.

Dec 5, 2009 10:04 PM in response to DWWilkin

What you are trying to do is called imposition, that is printing the pages together in print order, except you are going about it the wrong way.

If your document was a simple 4 pp newsletter the pages would appear in this order

Outside: p4 | p1

Inside: p2 | p3

It becomes more complicated the more pages you have:

See this link for how to go about it:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=41&mforum=iworktipsn trick

You are correct there appears to be a hardwired margin set for the page that causes the reduced pages to inset from the edges and even overrides the margins set in the Paper sizes.

Still this wouldn't work because changing the paper size changes the document size and you would have to layout the document with everything 129.4% larger.

Peter

Dec 6, 2009 9:59 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Not trying to do that either. I do want the pages to print from 1 to 80 in sequence on one side of the page.

Think of it this way. Take a regular sheet of paper and fold it in half so it 5.5 by 8.5
One side of that is the template for your writing. If you ask the computer to print that one template on the paper, it prints it at full size. Well you have a whole other side not being used, so you want page 2 on that other half side. Printed at the same size as the first half. You want the header where you are tracking page numbers to advance for each half of the page.

I can't get it to do this.

It might work better in Adobe Reader Printing out all the PDF for the 5.5 wide and then having it print 2 to a page there.

Dec 6, 2009 1:45 PM in response to DWWilkin

You are explaining yourself poorly.

You either are fully imposing the document and printing it on both sides of the paper or you are simply printing 2 pages to view with the back of the paper blank.

In either case follow the imposition link and set it up the way you want it.

Given the preset in OSX adds a margin, no matter what, in the multi-page layout, it is your only option.

Acrobat also adds margins when printing from the .pdf.

If you followed the link you will notice that *Swift Publishing* has imposition built in. Which could be an alternative to using Pages.

Peter

Dec 6, 2009 5:34 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter, it must be the way we each speak english.

CocoaBooklet doesn't work and doesn't work for me on Snow Leopard.

it is not imposition. I am not printing out a newsletter and not folding a sheet over 4 times. I do not want to print on both sides of the page and have it be a book. I want to get an edit copy at original size with out the program deciding to reduce things.

My template is 1/2 the width of a landscaped letter page, and if you print one of these per page it looks great. When you ask the computer to make use of the other side of the page, it looks like ****.

I think I have explained it several ways to address this, and i think you are not getting it. It is possible that Pages can't recreate it this. If you happen to know that is true, then telling me I am explaining myself poorly or telling me my solution is something I do not want does not help.

I have been in Apple Computing since 1981. There are things that even Mac Fans can't get to work. I spent yesterday reading both the missing manual documentation and the Apple Pages documentation and both are very light in regards to printing.

If you have found a solution because you have taken the time to have done what I am trying to do before and seen that it works, or have taken the time to recreate my predicament and then gone ahead and made it work, thank you. I don't get the feeling that is the case though.

The only thing I do get is your commenting that OS X is adding a margin. So how does one work around that? Does one right terminal code? Is there some system preference on printing to disable it? It has been pointed out to me before to request aid here, and then point out that there is a bug.

If this margin is causing everything to shrink then it seems bug like to me.

Dec 6, 2009 6:04 PM in response to DWWilkin

I was hesitant to ask if you spoke English as many on this forum do not.

I pride myself on clarity and take it you do understand what I am saying?

I tested and agreed with you that the 2 pages per sheet layout is not working because of the added margins. Where exactly Apple has buried that I don't know but it must be somewhere in Apple's printer drivers which I would think are uneditable.

You can set up a manually imposed document, dragging in individual pages from a .pdf file into 2 placeholder image boxes per page, in a separate template.

The only other way to get around that, is to use imposition, which the way you want it would be +2 page only+.

CocoaBooklet has yet to be updated for SL.

There is a separate Automator action called *Create Booket*

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/21068/create-booklet-pdf-servicel

which does work under Snow Leopard.

I am still unclear exactly what it is you are doing, whether it is a 1 sided 2 page spread or now a 2 sided 2 page spread, as you have said it both ways. Either way you will need to satisfy yourself with the imposition software to get it the way you want.

Peter

Dec 8, 2009 8:16 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

What I am doing is getting two things done at once.

By this printing method, I get an edit copy of a novel I have written. I then can read through it (with a lot better use of space, then printing everything doubles spaced in manuscript submission form) and edit it.

The second thing is that i can get a look at the work in a prepublication state. What it will look like when laid out as a book (But i dont need to collate with double sided printing.)

When I print with the way things are now, it shrinks, which is pretty much unacceptable. Then I can't see how the work will look when typeset. I think that expresses my goals. It is a drag though that I have to a third program because Pages is mostly (I was going to write completly) versatile.

Dec 8, 2009 8:44 AM in response to DWWilkin

Correct me if I am wrong, but a novel is pretty much just text and the page numbers don't matter. In the final print it will be retypeset and reflowed by the book designer.

Just lay up the thing in a 2 column layout, with the columns being what you would expect of the 2 page spread.

Authors should stick to the content.

I've yet to meet one that can design and typeset worth a hoot. In fact usually the first thing you do on getting a manuscript is strip off the "formatting" so you can do it properly.

Peter

Dec 8, 2009 2:54 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Amazon has a subsidiary called Create Space where you send them a PDF and they will print out a bound book for you. If you completed the NaNoWriMo in November and wrote at least 50,000 words, they are giving this away for free. So I am attempting to do this correctly and would like to see it before I send it to be printed.

It makes you both the writer and the publisher for this...

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