Aspect Ratio and interlacing problems

Hi,

I am having a problem that I assume has to do with me having the wrong settings somewhere. Please let me know if you can help me track it down.

I am getting my source video from a Hi8 camcorder using a usb video capture device and software. On capture I used AIC for the codec. The available settings were 720p, 1080i, 1080p and other. I chose other and checked the box that said it was interlaced (odd i think). Again this capture process was not done in FCE but the end result is that I do have a video file to work with now. I captured the whole tape in one shot and then plan on working with FCE to get the job done.

My video file is 640x480 and looks good or as good as one would expect from Hi8. When I watch the file in quicktime ther aspect ratio looks good and there are no interlacing lines running through the video. But when I work with it in FCE and try and export it I am getting aspect ratio problems and the resulting video shows interlacing lines in it that look awful. It also seems to take way to long for some reason.

Here is what I got so let me know if you have any ideas, thanks.

Video Clip Properties:
Vid Rate: 29.97 fps
Frame Size: 640x480
Compressor: Apple Intermediate Codec
Pixel Aspect: Square
Field Dominance: Upper (Odd)

Sequence Properties:
Everything is the same here but the frame size which is 1920x1080 (i assume this is part of the problem but I am not sure how to change it.

If I add a De-interlacing filter the video looks good when exported as far as the lines go but I am not sure why I have to do this because it looks good on the original clip before using FCE on it. When I export here are my settings.

Compression Type: H.264
Frame Rate: Current
Key Frames: Automatic
Data Rate: Restrict to 2000 kbits/sec
Size: (this is where I am having some problems) If is use current it goes to 471x354 even though the movie is 640x480 i don't know why this is. So I set it to 640x480 but then the picture comes out all smashed up like it is getting squeezed. The only way I can get it to look ok is to check the box "Preserve aspect ratio using:" and select crop. Also it does not mater here if I chose de-interlace source video I have to use the filter or it looks bad.

Also the sequence which is I am testing with is only 3.5 min long but it seems to be taking a longer time than it should to export. I have a fairly new macbook pro loaded up when I got it and this 3.5 min video takes 30-45min to export. But when I use iMovie it is much faster. Also when I use iMovie I don't have the problem with the aspect ratio or the interlacing when it is output so I am sure it is my settings.

Thanks

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.2), 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4GB 1067 MHz DDR3 - NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 512MB

Posted on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM

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Jan 22, 2010 12:41 AM in response to fishfilet

I can't help you directly as I do not know what a "USB capture device" is, but one thing immediately strikes me as odd.

Why are you using AIC, which is intended for high definition video?

Hi-8 video cameras are not high definition. They are old analogue standard definition cameras with a resolution only slightly better than VHS . . . . . .actually they are equivalent to the old Super VHS.

What exactly are "aspect ratio problems" . . . . . . squashed, stretched?

Jan 22, 2010 7:00 AM in response to fishfilet

For starters, you should re-capture your Hi8 material. Ideally you should capture it to QuickTime DV-NTSC (assuming you are in the US).

Hi8 is standard def 4:3 aspect ratio. You are having your aspect ratio problems because you captured the video to AIC and in addition selected some non-standard options. AIC is normally only used for 16:9 material. Your capture device did what it could to put your 4:3 material into 16:9 but didn't actually achieve it.

Then, in FCE you are putting the clip into a 16:9 sequence - which is another reason you are getting aspect ratio problems. The interlacing issue is being compounded by all this. You are also compounding the problem with the settings you are using on export.

Your export time is so long because of all the issues with the original clip and the sequence settings; I wonder if you rendered the material before you exported; and exporting H.264 does take a much longer time than straightforward DV or AIC exports.

The bottom line is ... straighten out the original capture and all this should correct itself.

Exactly what capture device did you use?

Jan 22, 2010 9:23 AM in response to fishfilet

Than you Ian and MartinR, your posts raise a few more questions for me and as well I will try and clear up some other things for you both.

First I guess I am having a problem grasping the aspect ratio concept. For instance 4:3 should be 1.33 (4 divided by 3). 16:9, 16 divided by 9 = 1.77. My video clip is 640x480, 640 divided by 480 = 1.33. So is seems to me that 640x480 is 4:3 aspect ratio. Im I understanding this wrong? And what is 720x480 which is the NTSC standard in FCE because that is not 4:3. 720/480=1.5 which is 3:2 Sorry if I am missing something but I think grasping this will help me alot.

Now some questions.

MartinR,
You say that my capture device tried to put my 4:3 material into 16:9 but this is not the case. Sorry if I did not explain but my resulting file is 640x480 (4:3) and is exactly what you would see when hooking the camcorder up to a TV. There are no problems at this point. In fact when putting this file into iMovie there are no problems at all.

As you said I had my sequence at 16:9 I had my easy set up set for NTSC but for some reason the sequence was not set that way perhaps because I had started this project and saved it before modifying my easy setup. I deleted my sequence and made a new one and it took the right settings of NTSC 720x480 which again though is not 4:3 it is 3:2 which I think is the remainder of my problem. Although I do not see anywhere to chose a real 4:3 ratio which again perhaps comes down to not understanding as stated above. However after changing the sequence settings as mentioned my export now only takes around 5min which is much, much better and in addition the box on export that says to deinterlace works so I don't need to apply the filter.

Now Ian,
The capture device I am using is the kworld VS-USB2800D check it out here http://us.kworld-global.com/main/prod_in.aspx?mnuid=1306&;modid=10&pcid=73&ifid= 17&prodid=104 I got this before I had my Mac along time ago for this same camcorder in fact. It does not come with OS X drivers. However I found a company that provides OS X drivers for this device and aparetly several others that are based on the same chipset. The company is Echo FX check it out here http://www.echofx.com/0~index.html The product I got from them is VideoStealth.

I use the simple program that to capture the video because my capture device does not work in FCE. Unless there is another way to hook my camcorder to my computer that works with FCE. Again the video capture works great and the resulting video file looks good and has no aspec ratio problems. I simply get a 640x480 .mov file that I am trying to use in FCE.

The aspect ratio problems I am talking about depend on my sequence and export settings but generally the image is stretched vertically a bit or I have letterbox bars. I don't know why I can't just get it to output the same way as the source file which is 640x480 and has no letter boxing.

Many thanks for all the input thus far.

Jan 22, 2010 9:28 AM in response to fishfilet

What you're missing is the pixel aspect ratio. Digital video uses a rectangular pixel that's tall and narrow, while computers use a square pixel. 640x480 is in square pixels. 720x480 is in CCIR601 pixels which allow for greater horizontal resolution.

You cannot chose a square pixel standard definition sequence because it's not a standard used in digital video. FCE only works with specific standard video formats.

Jan 22, 2010 9:42 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Thank you Tom,

Based on this do you have any suggestions that will help me? Is there another way I should be capturing my video? Or settings that I can change to make my movie come out correctly as it does in iMovie?

It seems to me that FCE is more for Video Production output to TV than for computer due to the sequence settings being limited to mostly these output types.

I got FCE as I felt I needed more that iMovie was providing. But it seems to do great for this project except I need to change the volume of the audio evenly on both right and left channels as it is only coming through on one channel and this is not available in iMovie.

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Jan 22, 2010 10:06 AM in response to fishfilet

I assume you're using the Videoglide software. What exactly are the export options available when you capture your video with your USB device?

As I said before, you should be capturing to *QuickTime DV-NTSC* if at all possible. It would be far preferable to use something like the Canopus ADVC-55 or 110 to convert your analog Hi8 video to DV-NTSC over FireWire; using that you could capture directly into iMovie or FCE without any external software required.

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