Simple logic question - extend audio region relative to bar position

You want the audio to sound exactly as it is now, except you also hear an extra bar of audio before the old start position?

Just drag the lower left corner of the region to the left - that will leave the region end point as it was but move the region start earlier.

Or are you saying you want the whole audio region to be shifted to the left by a bar, and have the extra space on the end (in other words, you hear an extra bar of the region on the end, rather than the extra audio at the beginning?)

I'm not sure there is a one-click solution for that offhand - you'd have to move the region left by a bar, and then move the region end point right a bar back to where it was.

I want to extend the audio region so it begins one bar earlier (217 2 4 227) and >ends in exactly the same position as it does before extending (making the region >exactly 1 bar longer),

It is called *Region Time Stretch*. You need just two steps:
1. Select the region, hit Option+E keycommand to open the Event List float tool and roll down 218 to 217 which will move the region one bar ahead (Fig.1) below.
2. Hold down the Option computer key click and hold the bottom right edge of the region so you will see a "Stretch" popup window. Drug the region end to the target bar you want to time stretch to. (Fig.2).

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Fig.1

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Fig.2

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Aaron Gammon wrote:
Vacheto thanks - I searched for 'region time stretch' in the manual and it >couldnt find it. I do suspect though that 'region time stretch' isn't quite the >feature I am looking for.

It is in page 537 "Time Stretching Using Region Borders" of the logic manual.
Anyway you say that you do not need a time stretch though in your original OP you say: *"I want to extend the audio region so it begins one bar earlier (217 2 4 227) and ends in exactly the same position as it does before extending (making the region exactly 1 bar longer)"* which seems as Time Stretching the region borders.
If you do not want to make region Time Stretch and just a simple moving by one bar to the left keeping the sub-divisions etc. then I have already answered you in my previous post (step 1 - using the Event List float editor). If you still can not got the idea have a look at this [VIDEO|http://audiogrocery.com/video/qt/moving_regions.mov] where I move multiple regions one bar to the left keeping their sub-devision timing.
The last scenario may be to extend to the left adding a silence bar to the region though I do not see any idea of that ?

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Yes this is what I am looking to do...

Ok, so you want to extend the front of the region - lower left corner drag it is then.

When I drag the lower left corner of the region, the region snaps to the nearest beat/subdivision of a beat. My region begins not quite on a beat/subdivision of a beat and I would like to preserve the relationship between my region start point and the beat, am sure that when I last used logic this was straightforward one way or another...

Ok, this snapping is nothing to do with your problem as such - you want to extend the front of the region, and the lower left corner drag is it.

Where Logic drops your selection when dragging things in the arrange is subject to some different rules, and you need to understand them. One behaviour is to snap directly on the beat, depending on the format/division settings. Another behaviour is to keep the relative position, which is what you want.

Logic can do both.

In the "Snap" menu at the top of the arrange page, the "Snap to absolute value", if ticked, will snap your drags directly to the beat, and with it unticked, it will preserve the beat offset.

However - and this is a big one - this doesn't seem to work when dragging the start point. Logic always snaps directly to the beat, regardless of the snap setting. I would regard this as undesirable behaviour, if not a bug.

So what you want should imo be possible, but alas is not - you'll need to do some fiddling in that case to get the results you are after, I'm afraid.

Vacheto mentions using the event list to edit your region start points, and I agree that this would be worth exploring - you can just decrease the start position by one bar and add 1 bar to the end fairly easily, preserving the beat offsets. You could probably even set up a transform to do this for you semi-automatically.

(It's worth sending this one to Apple Logic feedback, I think, because it should work the way you want it to imo.)

The OP doesn't want to timestretch, he just wants to change the region boundaries.

Right, I saw that in the previous posts, that's why offered a video using the Event Float to move to the region to the left just by decreasing by one bar which is easy and fast. The right border can be easy moved after that.

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Ron, If I do not misunderstand, you can do that using a few methods - I just exported two videos about.
1. In Video 1 I just drug the left region border to the left and when I'm around the place I want to drop it I hold down the Ctrl+Shift modifiers which prevent any snapping so you can adjust the left region border by one tick very fine.

[VIDEO 1|http://audiogrocery.com/video/qt/extend_region1.mov]

2. I the second example I do the trick using the L/R locators. I use two commands "Set Locators by region" and "Split Region/Event Length by Locators" ( the second I tried to show in the keycommand dialog is out of the video borders but you will find it in the Keycommand Dialog ).

[VIDEO 2|http://audiogrocery.com/video/qt/extend_region2.mov]

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Aaron Gammon wrote:
Vacheto
Thanks very much. The first option is not quite suitable for me but the second one is. Great!

Much appreciated 🙂

Be Welcome 😉 !

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