Want to convert 4:3 project to 16:9 and not have black bars on final Movie

Hi,

I'm currently editing a documentary several years in the making. I shot it on a Panasonic 100a-24p format. All along I had planned to letterbox the final piece to a 16:9 using a widescreen matte generator over my final sequence. I shot the whole project in 4:3 without using the "widescreen" generator built into the camera. I figured the bars would be there regardless and in 4:3 I would have more options to offset the video as needed per shot.

I guess you know when it's time to complete a project when the technology has surpassed you!

My question is, is there a way to output the final movie without having the black widescreen bars on top and bottom of the screen? So the final video fits my flatscreen tvs, projection screens, etc without the matte. I don't want to set sequence to anamorphic and get the stretched distortion as it makes my skin crawl!

Is it as simple as cropping out the black bars and exporting as 16:9 to Compressor?

Many Thanks,

Peter Mallamo

Mac Pro 2GHz Dual Intel, 10 Gig RAM, FCP 6.0.6, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Feb 22, 2010 4:18 AM

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Feb 22, 2010 4:40 AM in response to Peter Mallamo

Hi

If You used a 4x3 Camera and it was set to 16x9

Then You have to set Anamorphic in the Browser window.

a. You need to do a 16x9 project from start

b. When captured - You extend the Browser window to the right and see a lot of columns. On of the far to the right is Anamorphous - set/select this for Your captured material.

Now it should behave.

Yours Bengt W

Feb 22, 2010 4:48 AM in response to Bengt Wärleby

Thanks for your reply. I did NOT shoot the project in 16:9 on the camera. I shot it in 4:3. It was my understanding that the 100A only added a letterbox matte to the video which I figured I could do in post and be able to offset the matte as each shot needed.

So I have added that widescreen matte and now want to output in 16:9 without the black bars on top and bottom of screen, if that's even possible.

Thanks,


Peter

Feb 22, 2010 5:14 AM in response to Peter Mallamo

If I get it right. Then only way is to enlarge the 4x3 so that instead of black sides
it goes out on top and/or bottom

Else the result will be "Stretched" - short and fat mens in opposite of 16x9 viewed
in 4x3 mode = Squeesed (Thin and long mens)

(Image + Wireframe and adjust size)

The result will be very quality reduced. I prefere black columns.

Yours Bengt W

Feb 22, 2010 5:41 AM in response to Peter Mallamo

QT movie, Self Contained indeed if you want to use Compressor. QT Conversion if you wish to get your final output from within FCP. BTW. Just try it, for example an H.264 export, it takes two minutes and you can see that the final output will be 16:9 with cropped top and bottom.

In Compressor you'll bring the self contained clip and will use Inspector > Geometry Tab for your size modifications. With Compressor you can do a lot of size customization, however, not all types of compressions will allow that.

Do some check tests in either cases by setting an IN and OUT point to select a portion of your movie.

Feb 22, 2010 6:19 AM in response to Peter Mallamo

You can not convert a dv 4:3 project to 16:9 without some serious damage to the sharpness of the image if the final display is at full resolution (eg playing back from DVD) The resulting softness of the image from the uprez process will only show more dramatically when you play the material back on a large screen TV.

If you want to do this, the simplest way is to create a DV 16:9 sequence and place your 4:3 project in it. FCP may distort the image to fit, which is not what you want (it will look like everyone needs to go on a serious diet). If you have v7, when FCP tells you the sequence settings do not match the material, select NO, you do not want FCP to change them. Then drag the nested sequence into the viewer and click on the Motion Tab to set Distort>Aspect Ratio to zero and the Scale to 133. This adjusts for the pixel aspect ratio to make sure the people will look correct and will expand the image to the sides. The top and bottom of the image are cropped. You now have a 16:9 anamorphic DV/NTSC image (I'm assuming you are working in NTSC)

The overall effect to the image will be a serious softening as you are increasing the size of individual pixels by 33% - a very significant increase. When the image is blown up again to be displayed on a large screen TV or projector .... yikes. This is what happens when you throw away resolution - and DV doesn't have much to spare.

My advice is to simply export the thing as 4:3 (no letterboxing) and let HDTVs either pillarbox it (black bars on the sides) or use one of the more sophisticated justifying algorithms to stretch the image to fill.

ymmv of course.

x

Feb 22, 2010 6:14 AM in response to Studio X

Thanks Luca and X,

I appreciate your help. I"ll have to do some experimenting and may very well just leave in 4:3. I tried Luca's advice with QT conversion and it works like a charm but I understand there will be compression issues. I definitely don't want to blow my image up 33% as I know what that will look like.

That's what happens when I wait so long to finish my documentary. When I started this project in 2004 the 100A was state of the art technology!

Thanks Again,

Peter

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