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Aperture 3 missing ratings on import

Although article http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2930 claims ratings are not implemented for not being part of the specification, I advise Apple to read ALL specification docs ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/xmp/) and in part two they'll find the xmp:Ratings definition.

Apple approach to standards is curious, considering the Preview application properly displays the Ratings value for rated photos.

Liviu

Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.2)

Posted on Feb 23, 2010 12:44 AM

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Feb 23, 2010 1:56 AM in response to ilg

hello,
you're pointing to adobe docs. the specification for iptc core (which apple decided to adhere to) can be found here: http://iptc.cms.apa.at/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/specification/Iptc4xmpCore1.0-spec-XMPSchema8.pdf
deprecated stuff like Category, Supplemental Categories are also no longer supported, and probably not imported.
If you check, Ratings is nowhere to be found there. That being said, it was part of Aperture 2 import, and I don't really see why you wouldn't import ratings, but maybe an update will reconsider that. In the meanwhile, you can import ratings with a script if you want, or disguise your ratings as keywords in the originating software, before import, and then apply ratings accordingly in a batch in Aperture.
j

Feb 23, 2010 2:15 AM in response to imigra

I'm pointing to core XMP specifications because xmp:Ratings is part of the XMP Basic Schema (see page 30 of XMP Specification Part 2).

As long as IPTC is just another additional schema to be included in XMP, I see no reason to search for 'Ratings' in IPTC as long as the definition is already present in the basic schema.

I have tens of thousands of photos, grouped in too many sets; the suggestion to disguise ratings as keywords, or to use scripts is not realistic, not to mention not elegant at all, as you would expect from an Apple product.

Liviu

Feb 23, 2010 4:08 AM in response to ilg

i agree that not importing ratings is unelegant at the least, but it seems apple stuck to industry standard IPTC core, instead of going with adobe's extensions. lots of people complained apple didn't adhere to IPTC core with version 2 of aperture, so now they did to the point where they eliminated importing anything that's not part of it. you can basically store anything in xmp, as long as you know how to interpret it back in. if enough people complain on the feedback page for aperture, it might make it back in, you never know. i doubt they listen in much here.
j

Feb 26, 2010 7:07 AM in response to ilg

maccreate.com posted a script to apply the ratings of the file as it was originally imported. from what I can see, the values are imported, but just not assigned inside aperture. their script reads the imported values and applies them:

(*
Name: Apply Ratings from XMP Sidecar by Selection
Author: Mac Create Network maccreate.com
Date: 2/23/2010
Description: This script applies ratings from in an image's XMP sidecar and assigns it to the image just after import.
The user must select images within Aperture and then execute this script.
*)


tell application "Aperture"
set imgSel to (get selection) --must select images in Aperture
tell library 1
repeat with imgVersion in imgSel
tell imgVersion
if (IPTC tag "StarRating") exists then --not every image will have a sidecar or a StarRating value
set main rating to (value of IPTC tag "StarRating" as integer)
end if
end tell
end repeat
end tell
end tell

Feb 26, 2010 9:30 AM in response to imigra

well, please feel free to use any solution you like, but I personally have a much easier option: stick with Lightroom!

please understand that I bought my Mac for no other reason than to manage my photo library with Aperture. After evaluating it I found two major problems: lack of SERIOUS support for Flickr, where I publish my photos, and a far too great risk of becoming captive, due to a very strict and closed policy regarding metadata, with no chance to switch to another system if needed.

and so I got to Lightroom, that suits my needs quite fine. I don't regret buying the Mac, but all of the programs I use on it could be used on Windows as well.

if Apple ever wants people to switch from Lightroom to Aperture, I think a more flexible approach on import would certainly help.

Liviu

Feb 27, 2010 12:21 AM in response to imigra

have you ever compared high iso results from aperture with lightroom?....


nope, but I am open to test any new idea.

however, I don't see how this could help import my 10.000+ library from Lightroom, while preserving ratings (heavily used in Smart sets), and parametric image corrections.

btw, have you ever compared Flickr publishing from Aperture with Lightroom Flickr plug-in? do you know that after editing caption or keywords, it is possible to update only photo metadata, without republishing the image? do you know that once an image is published, Lightroom keeps track of it, and do not duplicates it, regardless of how many albums that image is part of? try to manage thousands photos on Flickr with Aperture, and you'll see why I'm currently using Lightroom.

Liviu

Feb 27, 2010 4:39 AM in response to imigra

alway used aperture, but keep a backup library on lightroom


can you further explain how do you keep both libraries in sync? I'm interested mostly in ratings, keywords and adjustments.

far behind and a lot less elegant as a dam tool.


please refer to page 18 of Krough's book, second edition (The DAM Book).

as far as elegance (and integration with the rest of the Mac ecosystem) is discussed, I concur, it is unlikely that Adobe tools will ever won beauty contests, especially when running on a beautiful interface like Mac OS/X has.

however, if functionality and sustainability is discussed, either in itself or via existing plug-ins, I found Lightroom more appropriate as a DAM tool, at least according to Krough's definitions.

Liviu

Feb 27, 2010 4:27 PM in response to ilg

to keep stuff in sync, i just export my masters to my backup disks with an xmp sidecar. it's those disks i then import into lightroom. haven't done any of this since upgrading to aperture 3 yet. i guess i will have to find a workaround for the ratings. adjustments are impossible to sync between the 2, because they use completely different raw engines (aperture's being superior imho).

as far as dam is concerned, i prefer the way aperture is a type of "electro applicance" for photos. you don't really have to worry too much about where stuff goes, or how it comes out again. lightroom is too file-system oriented.
j

Feb 27, 2010 6:17 PM in response to ilg

Page 155 (top) of the Aperture 3 User Manual -

"About Importing XMP Sidecar Files
You can import and export XMP sidecar files in Aperture. However, Aperture displays only metadata that adheres to the XMP 1.0 specification. Ratings, label values, and custom metadata created by third-party applications are not supported."

Aperture 3 missing ratings on import

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