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Menus and fonts on the 27" are SO SMALL!!

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  • white crow Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 4:00 AM (in response to necronym)
    Thanks for trying to help Necronym, but I know all of this. I also believe others know all this. With all your tips, the menu bar and the finder remain small, or they are large and fuzzy.

    The tip about going into the terminal and using "defaults write -g AppleDisplayScaleFactor 2.0" shows EXACTLY what we are talking about, Resolution Independence. And it seems that Apple is very likely trying to enable this. That line in terminal makes the menu bar large and STUNNINGLY crisp (after you relaunch an application). But the actual software window will remain fuzzy (though larger).
    i7 iMac and Macbook, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • Steve M. Level 5 Level 5 (4,740 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 8:54 AM (in response to white crow)
    white crow, do you then have to disable the resolution independence using terminal after you have finished experimenting around with it?

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    Steve M.
    iMac 21.5 inch, 3.06 GHz, 4GB RAM, 1TB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.3), OWC Mercury Elite 1 TB HD (FW/USB), APC UPS
  • white crow Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:04 AM (in response to Steve M.)
    after experimenting around with it, I then typed the same line into terminal, but with 1 at the end. Like this:

    "defaults write -g AppleDisplayScaleFactor 1.0"

    That seems to have brought the resolution back to default.
    i7 iMac and Macbook, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • Steve M. Level 5 Level 5 (4,740 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:09 AM (in response to white crow)
    Interesting, thanks.

    Maybe someday they will expand on this and make it easy to use in the standard user interface. Hope, hope.

    Steve M.
    iMac 21.5 inch, 3.06 GHz, 4GB RAM, 1TB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.3), OWC Mercury Elite 1 TB HD (FW/USB), APC UPS
  • white crow Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:20 AM (in response to Steve M.)
    You're welcome.
    Read this article about it (if you haven't already):
    http://www.tuaw.com/2007/11/01/the-case-of-the-missing-resolution-independence

    The article link was posted on page one of this thread so you may have read it.
    Be sure to read the posts under it (about ten or so of them).
    It gives insight into where Apple was headed in 2007 and why things might have changed.
    It does give a lot of hope for the future.
    i7 iMac and Macbook, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • Steve M. Level 5 Level 5 (4,740 points)
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:29 AM (in response to white crow)
    Thanks, I'll take a look.

    Regards,
    Steve M.
    iMac 21.5 inch, 3.06 GHz, 4GB RAM, 1TB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.3), OWC Mercury Elite 1 TB HD (FW/USB), APC UPS
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    May 21, 2010 12:17 PM (in response to AdrienneA)
    I agree. It's so frustrating. My neck is all messed up from straining to read the tiny interfaces. I can't believe Apple has not addressed this issue. So not user-friendly. I hope they come up with a solution that we can add to our machines.
    imac, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
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    May 29, 2010 11:22 AM (in response to Volker Runkel)
    Will a customized style sheet stop my wife's iMac's text from running together? Whenever she is in Safari or Firefox, all the text runs together and is unreadable. Apple has no idea what the problem is. It is very frustrating. Any ideas? We've messed with font sizes but and screen resolutions, but nothing works.
    27" iMac
  • WPLJ42 Calculating status...
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    Jun 1, 2010 9:14 AM (in response to JCHeals)
    I am pleased to see others chime-in on this. I was beginning to feel like an island. I have a 20 inch. My eyesight is bad, and there is nothing in Mac OS to assist me. My vision is blurred, and all the tools available only make it worse. Lawd Have Mercy, I can't imagine the fonts even smaller on the 27 inch. I did tinker with Windows 7 when in was in Beta and RC. I used it in BootCamp on this machine. I don't love Mac OS, and there is nothing stopping me from going back to Windows but funds. I have Snow Leopard, but went back to Leopard. I do not believe Windows has true Resolution Independence. Being able to adjust the DPI has been around for a long time. Windows 7 makes it easier to move from 100% to 125% or 150%. It isn't perfect, but it does work. At least it is there. Clear Type is nice, but not always the answer. Steve Jobs and company must have razor sharp vision. Some of us don't even come close. Speech is wonderful, but that's all. On the video side, Apple is not for me. I am going to have to return to Windows.
    iMac 20" Aluminum 11/2007, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2 GHz CPU - 2 GB RAM
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    Jul 5, 2010 4:05 AM (in response to silence2-38554)
    Subject: Resolution Independence?
    From: Owen Lammers <owen@xxxx.xxx>
    Date: July 5, 2010 5:59:52 PM GMT+07:00
    To: sjobs@apple.com

    Dear Steve,

    I'm noticing an increasing number of users having problems with the inability to scale system fonts so that they can comfortably use the native resolutions on Apple desktops and notebooks.

    Having seen your answers to some user questions recently I thought maybe you might be willing to share with us the status of resolution independence or some other solution that will enable users to scale system fonts to comfortably work in native resolutions.

    I myself have very low vision and have accepted my constituency is not a market segment that has much purchasing power. But if you look at Apple discussion boards you will notice that these issues are being increasingly raised by your average consumer who just can't comfortably use some of Apple's offerings in their naive resolutions, and as you know, lowering the resolution decreases the sharpness of the content being displayed.

    So could you tell us whether we have anything to look forward to?

    And please, could you alos politely ask Apple employes not to promote the zoom features in Universal Access as a solution to these problems. On the surface they may sound like a good idea, but zooming is really not practical for 9-5 computer users.

    Owen Lammers
    30+-year mac user

    PS. My nose spent hours, upon hours, day after day, year after year a mere 2" from those 9" 512, Plus and SE CRTs until I got a IIsi with a 21" Sigma L-View CRT that allowed me to work comfortably in 512x384 for the first time in my life. This is no longer so easy in the era of LCDs and applications requiring resolutions twice that or greater. But with your 27" iMac and longtime 30" Cinema Displays out there, the hardware is certainly there to help if some sort of fully functional resolution independence can be implemented. Currently using a 27" LCD and AppleDisplayScaleFactor as much as is feasible.
    Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.4), others
  • WPLJ42 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM (in response to SabaiSabai)
    Wonderful post SabaiSabai! I agree with everything you have to say. It is very unfortunate the "industry" is not able to address the issue of changing the resolution on an LCD screen. The new 27 inch monitor coming from Apple in September claims to support resolutions other than the native one. If it really can support the 1080 and 720 resolutions, I could be interested. At $999, it should be able to do anything I ask of it. Yes, we are a very modest, yet constantly growing population of visually impaired folks. We have needs no one is willing to address. Instead, you can purchase a 10 inch Windows netbook running at 1366 X 768! I have to agree, Apple could do better. Funny how some apps simply can't be used in VoiceOver! No Firefox, don't even think it. The features in Universal Access could work better. I have my mouse pointer enlarged, and it looks like an 8-bit graphic. So yes Steve, please do better!

    http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
    iMac 20" Aluminum 11/2007, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2 GHz CPU - 2 GB RAM
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM (in response to silence2-38554)
    Have you tried this: go to System Preferences -> Displays and choose a resolution that's a bit smaller than the default resolution. You can experiment until you find one that suits you. This will make the desktop fonts larger - albeit just a tad less crisp, which I've preferred over having to squint for years.
    24" white 2.16GHz iMac 3 GB RAM (10.6.4), 13" white early '09 MB (10.6.4),, LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie ext HD (1 Quadra), Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • WPLJ42 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM (in response to babowa)
    Barbara ... In my case it is way more than a tad less crisp. Some people can "see through" the fuzziness. I am not one of those. The micro-fonts used in this forum are an example of people being able to see much better than I do. As mentioned in the post before mine, some of these tools Apple makes available, do in a pinch, but create eye fatigue when use constantly.
    iMac 20" Aluminum 11/2007, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2 GHz CPU - 2 GB RAM
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Aug 2, 2010 4:08 PM (in response to WPLJ42)
    Sorry it didn't work for you; my current 24" iMac's native resolution is 1920 x 1200 and resulted in tiny fonts; I changed it to the lower 1600 x 1000 and it works great for me.
    24" white 2.16GHz iMac 3 GB RAM (10.6.4), 13" white early '09 MB (10.6.4),, LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie ext HD (1 Quadra), Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • WPLJ42 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Aug 2, 2010 4:33 PM (in response to babowa)
    The next step lower for me is 1344 X 840. It is painfully out of focus. I have the first aluminum 20 inch iMac. Perhaps your screen is of better quality than mine. I have not actually seen the new 27 inch iMac. My eyesight is blurry all the time. I have (among other things) Nystagmus. Constant (involuntary) eye movement. There is no fix, and getting older just makes it worse. While my condition is quite the rarity, ask any eye doctor what Nystagmus is, and even the rookies will know. It would be nice if LCD/LED monitors could change their resolutions with the same ease as the old CRTs. Then we can close this thread!

    Thanks for your replies Barbara. They may help someone other than myself.
    iMac 20" Aluminum 11/2007, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2 GHz CPU - 2 GB RAM

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