When is a compilation not a compilation?

Sorry about the cryptic subject line, but this is a strange problem. I loaded all my music CDs into iTunes on my iMac and then loaded them all onto my iPod Classic.

I wanted to play a particular CD on the iPod, looked for it under "artists," couldn't find it.

Looked for it under "genres," couldn't find it.

Went back to the iMac, thinking I hadn't imported it from CD to iTunes, but there it was.

Went back to the iPod, finally found it--and about a dozen others--under "compilations." Went back to the iMac, thinking I would have to change the genre from "compilation" to the correct genre for those dozen CDs...but they all had the correct genres.

The problem happens on any CD that has more than one "artist" listed. What the heck is going on, and how do I fix this without losing any info about the CD?

Regards,

John

Message was edited by: pushprogress

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Mar 14, 2010 6:05 PM

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Mar 14, 2010 7:27 PM in response to turingtest2

turingtest2 wrote:
See http://www.samsoft.org.uk/iTunes/grouping.asp


Thanks, definitely a step up from the instructions that come with the iPod. I especially liked the part that said, "For albums which are essentially by a single album artist or group it is best to set the appropriate value for the Album Artist and then set Part of a compilation to No," and then didn't explain how or when to do it. Runner up was the screen shot of a window with the appropriate box circled in red, but with no instructions on how to get to that window.

I poked around some more in iTunes, and I think I figured out how to do it:

1. Use the search and scrolling functions to display all tracks of one of the problem CDs on the screen.
2. Highlight all tracks.
3. Hit "Control I."
4. Input appropriate name in "album artist" column.
5. Hit the "Options" tab.
6. Select "no" next to the line that says, "Part of a Compilation."

Still two questions:

First, is there an easier way?

Second, what do I do about CDs that ARE compilations, but are not showing up in the appropriate genres on my iPod? Change the info to tell iTunes that the CD is not a compilation, I guess?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

John

Message was edited by: pushprogress

Mar 15, 2010 12:20 AM in response to pushprogress

pushprogress wrote:
Thanks, definitely a step up from the instructions that come with the iPod. I especially liked the part that said, "For albums which are essentially by a single album artist or group it is best to set the appropriate value for the Album Artist and then set Part of a compilation to No," and *then didn't explain how* or when to do it. Runner up was the screen shot of a window with the appropriate box circled in red, but with no instructions on how to get to that window.

Fair point, although I'm kind of assuming that by the time you get to worrying about that finer details of organising your library you've become familiar with the basic editing features provided by iTunes. When is up to you. I apply the various workarounds consistently each time I add new music into my library but others might only bother to fix up an album if & when it starts to create multiple covers. E.g. the problem of featured artists trigging multiple covers on the iPod may not occur until you have two albums by the same album artist.
I poked around some more in iTunes, and I think I figured out how to do it:

1. Use the search and scrolling functions to display all tracks of one of the problem CDs on the screen.
2. Highlight all tracks.
3. Hit "Control I."
4. Input appropriate name in "album artist" column.
5. Hit the "Options" tab.
6. Select "no" next to the line that says, "Part of a Compilation."

Yep, that's it....
Still two questions:

First, is there an easier way?

No. Although if you've more than one album to correct by the same album artist you should be able to select & correct all the tracks in one hit instead of two or three.
Second, what do I do about CDs that ARE compilations, but are not showing up in the appropriate genres on my iPod? Change the info to tell iTunes that the CD is not a compilation, I guess?

As I say, if it is a compilation then include a sensible value for Album Artist such as *Various Artists*, *Original Cast* and set *Part of a compilation* to Yes, i.e. tell iTunes that it is a compilation.

Not quite sure what you mean about "showing up in appropriate genres". Each track has only one value for Genre. "Rock", "Pop" and "Rock/Pop" are three distinct values in the iTunes universe and each track will only be listed under one genre, unlike other systems which might include all tracks marked as "Rock/Pop" when viewing either "Rock" or "Pop".

tt2

Mar 15, 2010 4:33 AM in response to turingtest2

Thanks, tt2, for all your help.

turingtest2 wrote:> Not quite sure what you mean about "showing up in appropriate genres".


Yeah, that's a weird one. If it's a compilation, it doesn't show up in its own genre on the iPod, but it will show up in its own genre on the iMac. For example, a CD of old Bob Marley tracks that has "Reggae" as the genre won't show up in a search by genre on the iPod except under the "compilations" genre; Frank Zappa's "Leather" CD has "Rock" as the genre but won't show up in a search by genre on the iPod except under the "compilations" genre; and about three dozen others. Strange oversight by the folks who produced the software.

Thanks again for all your help.

Regards,

John

Mar 15, 2010 5:28 AM in response to pushprogress

Weird, I can't say I use Genre for accessing music very often but it clearly ought not to work that way. Although, as experience attests, the inconsistencies between the way iTunes & iPod treat the same data abound. Then again, I don't have a Genre called Compilations and I can't see why one should have one, let alone have it swallow things clearly marked as Pop or Reggaae. The only mechanism that I can think of that might cause the effect is one that, by strange coincidence, I've just commented on in this thread regarding multiple tags.

tt2

Jun 16, 2010 6:47 PM in response to turingtest2

turingtest2 wrote:
Weird, I can't say I use Genre for accessing music very often but it clearly ought not to work that way.


I don't like to use genre to search for music, either. I tend to go by artist, because that's how my cravings tend to appear. And just continuing with the examples I gave above, like Marley or Zappa, my iPod doesn't list their posthumously-released albums when searching by artist, either. I know this thread's been dead for three months, but I just remembered this and figured I'd mention it for what it's worth. The problem affects a surprising percentage of the music on my iPod--bagpipe compilations, Tuvan music compilations, delta blues compilations, Alpine yodeling compilations, Appalachian folk music compilations, anything that was re-released with studio outtakes...and the list goes on. As a result, the trouble of searching for a given CD in the "compilation" section has made it a chore to listen to the iPod.

I'm thinking that I might make a playlist of everything on the iPod (only about 250 cds at this point), but I'm hoping there's an easier way.

Regards,

John

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