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dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
Hi,
We have a 4 Mac and 1 PC Household. Cable Internet Service by Roadrunner.Cable model (owned) connected to a D-Link 802.11G wi fi router (by ethernet from cable modem)in the family room , then out to a Imac (the half moon base and LCD screen with a airport card also in the family room and the closet computer to the D-Link
router, (we did add a D-Link antenna to the router ? about 10 months ago (a D-Link ANT24-0700 (Version 1.2)and a HP 4 in 1 printer attached via USB to the Imac
,a eMac 1.25 ghz 1Gb ram with airpot card also connected wirelessly (no printer attached on the same floor but in a ajoinging room about 20 feet from the Router, and another eMac 1.0 Ghz 1Gb ram with airport card in the upstairs part of our house (a bedroom) and no issue with Internet connection (it has a Epson 3in 1 printer attached via USB, and a MacBook Pro with 802.11N wireless card in side , bought for a Christmas/Birthday Present and also for college.It to has no issues with the Internet where ever it may be in the house. Our sole PC a HP tower with a added D-Link WDA -2320 Range Booster Desktop Adapter (802.11G) and we added a D-Link Antenna same model as the other a ANT24-0700 to help with Internet access which it did as well as adding some ram to increase page loading time etc. It does not have a printer attached. I will get to the Topic Area now
The Airport Express. I was not involved in the set-up as I was laid up due to a bad back and post major knee surgery , But I always (especially recently) wondered why the light was amber and blinking. I read through the manual and also
Apple.com support and MacFixit.com (which is under construction and moved to part of Cnet.com)and then went to the Airport Express Discussion area (sorry for being so wordy) I need a Twitter account to post!) We have a network name for the D-Link and the computers all were added and it also supports a Xbox 360, a Sony PlayStation 3 and a Nintendo Wi (in online use without issue) but..
A network was also as it appears to myself) for the Airport Express and under the half moon bars showing connection strenght (there is our D-Link network "phoenix" with security protection WPA2 I believe) as I have set up the router, We had a Apple Base station prior that was ? 802.11B (a half moon white unit) still have it in the box ) So for normal daily use, checking e-mail and internet use all of the computers use the "phoenix" or D-Link supported Router 802.11G
and The other network calld Apple Network with numbers and letters after it (and hopefully security) password is unknown , The Airport Express is set up connected via USB to a HP B&W laser printer which has saved quite a bit of money on ink, To utilize that printer you must switch from "phoenix" The D-Link router network to the Apple Network (followed by letters and numbers) The Imac and the eMac in the family room and a ajoing room (after switching to the Apple Network
can than print to the lasr printer. The eMac upstairs and the HP Windows XP Professional software can not print to the laser printer (yet the HP PC shows it as a individual network and a strong signal, equal to the Internet connection from the D-Link, and the eMac (after switching under the half moon (not the proper name I am sure) to get to the Apple Network to print , it will not print, yet it shows a 5 bar signal, same as the D-Link connection. I do believe we have two seperate networks (but do not understand why the two Mac's in the family room can print to the laser printer by simply switching networks and then file and print. ** One other 9probaly major item is that it states to set up the Airport Express with a Mac With OSX 10.4 or later (at the time of set up, we had the Imac and two eMac's all running Panther OSX 10.3.9 9which they continue to have installed) We obtained the HP Tower and Monitor and HP 4in 1 printer ust before Christmas in 2008 and the MacBook Pro in Mid December 2009 (current model and running Snow Leopard 10.6. The HP Tower runs Windows Xp Professional (Service Pack 3) so the MacBook Pro which is much more mobile , could be used to do the set-up, or the HP Tower coulf be moved temprarily, I do recall if Router changes (at least with The D-Link You need to be connected by Ethernet to the Mac
that would be doing the set up/configuration of the router (and it runs OSX 10.3.9 and is a older Mac (with 80Gb Hard drive that is partioned for OS9 and OSX as well , it is under a Ghz processor wise and less than 1 Gb of ram as the last ram slot required a seal to be broken and 256mb of ram (?) could be added
it has 768 mb of ram but knock on wood running well. We use Lacie external drives
on the Imac and both eMac's and need to get external drives for the HP PC as well as the Mac Book Pro (15" screen)

I apoogize if I repeated myself, and rambled but I wanted to (in one post) to explain our set up and network configuration

Questions
1) if indeed it is that the two networks is true and a set yp that is not correct
can the Airport Express be configured without opening up the router (when ever that happens it seems one computer is unable to get online and each time its a differnt one a Mac or veen the PC
The PC under My Computer and Networks clearly shows the wto distinct and seperate netwoks with strong signals and the distance is not far (it is through a floor as the other emac and the PC are upstairs and cabling by ethernet is not a option

2) If I need to open the router would I add the Airport Express as a client as if it was one of the computers or gaming systems on the network? (adding the Mac adress or IP address (not sure how you find the Mac address) and its been while since the router was opened up for any additions or work on it.

3) would it be on the same channel as the router or not ?

4) Hopefully with proper configuration the light will stay on (and green) on the A/E and the eMac and HP PC will be able to print to the laser printer. Currentlt
when anything needs printed from the PC its put on a Flasg Drive and plugged in tothe Imac and the the Apple Network is selected and data printed, The eMac upstairs has the option of using the attached Epson 3 in one or doing the Flash stick work around.

I would be verya appreciative if some one took a look at the set up above and advised me of what is right, what is not right* and what to do to fix things up
I would imagine after proper set up, delete the Apple Network from the PC and eMac upstairs and ? all of the computers as we should have one base station (the D-link and the spoke (the A/E connected by UBS to the A/E (it may be ethernet but the cable connection from the A/E to the HP laser printer is correct (the rest of the A/E set up ... Please , tell me where it is and where it should be
and ? any idea why we can print to the laser printer down stairs and not up stairs ? it did mention printer set up with Panther as possible, page 43 of themanual we have un chaper 5 Tips and Troubleshooting (under whn your printer isn't responding) (we do not have the interfereance listed in the manual,
our phones are land line, one 900 mghz and the others 5.8 ghz
It is possible to move the A/E and laser printer if that would help the two computers (desktops) upstairs) bt the distance is way less than 150 but their is a floor and ? duct work (metal ) but I think here is a place to stop typing and let some of the experts on the discussion forums take a look.

one lst note (as the lap top will be going off to college in the fall (runnning Snow Leopard, and the other 3 Mac's run Panther OSX 10.3.9 should the HP PC windows Xp Professional be the computer to set up the air port express and the Airport Utility proram installed & would this conflict with the current Router (set up by a Macc running OSX 10.3.9 (Panther) i.e (should both set ups be on the same computer?) but actually aThe D-Link is OSX10.3.9 compatible (and 802.11G) and set up requires ethernet connection to a Mac (You type in the numbers and . etc and password as administror and you are in, or should the admin be on the same cpmpuer for the router and A/E ?
(and considering a Airport Extreme Base Station as well as dual frequency simulataneus and 802.11N (for the laptop now) and future, or wait. The 802.11
in theory would broadcast farther..?? even if computers had 802.11b(our Mac Desk tops and the PC 802.11B card

Thanks Again!!!

Many, Many Thanks

amnienttales

(2)eMac's,(1) Imac(partioned)HPPC/MBPro, Mac OS X (10.3.x), 3mac's OSX panther, PC Win XPPro,LaptopSnow leopard
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    ambienttales wrote:
    Questions


    Your post is so long that it's hard to locate the details needed to give you good advice. In the future try to be more concise and leave out extraneous details.

    1) if indeed it is that the two networks is true and a set yp that is not correct


    If you actually have two networks that would explain why you can't see a printer from some of the computers. You should configure your AirPort Express to join your existing network.

    2) If I need to open the router would I add the Airport Express as a client as if it was one of the computers or gaming systems on the network?


    As for whether that requires reconfiguring your Dlink router (which is how I interpret your comment about "opening" that router), someone else will have to comment on that.

    (adding the Mac adress or IP address (not sure how you find the Mac address)


    The MAC address of an Apple AirPort unit is embossed on the outside of the case, identified as the "AirPort ID".
  • dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    William Boyd , Jr.

    I am Thankful that you responded and deeply apologize for the lenghth of my post and indeed I did include uneeded information.(I read the tips section and their was a post that said be precise and include everything (I went way , way, way, overboard)

    ) I need to get to one network now , and to configure the A/E is that done in the Airport Express (?Utility)and also with a Mac using Tiger or greater or a PC with Win XP Home or Pro(ours runs XPPro.and after delete the un neede second network from all Mac's and the PC.

    2) what I meant by "opening up the router" was either doing a hard reset with a paper clip (*or I do have the admin and router network paqsswords so that (in my router terminology is "opening up the router" )where viewing the router" (to me) is entering the 192. etc , and taking a look at set up in side without the ability to make any changes (In tha past when ever I have done a hard shut down or entered the proper passwords 1 of the 4 computers would end up not being able to obtain Internet access, it does not always happpn when it does (it drives the household crazy while I work on thr D-Link Router) I printed the entire D-Link router manual for when I make changes (such as adding a gaming system or a new computer) I guess I say Opening as its like Opening a Can of worms (the router)
    when making changes/configuring etc. and D-Link sent me on a wild goose chase once for 2 days.

    3) Thank You for pointing out where the Mac ID is

    4) To get going forward, I need to add the A/E as a client (as if it was a computer or gaming system (?is that correct) and the HP laser printer would remain connected , but now when printing (for the two that have printers conneted
    via USB ) they would use the printer drop down menu and the remainder the laser only as a option (Unless the laptop wants to USB to a 4in 1 or 3 in 1 )
    for any color printing.

    4)a) And to do 4) I would need to be ethernt connected to the D-Link Router and a Mac running 10.4 or above or a Windows PC (XP Home or Pro) or is that incorrect? or would I add it to the router as is (Mac address etc)
    but page 1 of the manual provides the computer specs (r is that for a base station use? (Sorry grtting wordy as I am confused)

    5) option instead, after getting into the router set up mode (admin password and network password (I think) it may just be the admin) could I add the A/E that way?
    by Mac address (and then making up a IP addreess as the IP address's change
    or go yo thr computer that did the set up (the Imac running Panther 10.3.9 and using that data.

    I realize I write too much but I am confused still as far as configuration (on adding the A/E as a client. I certainly apreciate your input Sir and I give You great credit if You read this entire post, It was late at night and I was over tired (and the time change did not help

    I would understand if You would not reply

    (I could ask what would You do in this situation ?)

    Sincerely and Thankfully,

    ambienttales in Ohio
  • dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    William Boyd , Jr.

    I did leave off would the A/E be on the same channel (I would think yes as its a client but..look how we have been set up network wise and we have used Apple's
    since Apple IIC, then IIGS,then wow a Performa (SCSI)& OS9 and extensions and conflicts (and Conflict Catcher) then a Blue Imac (original one) returned as it ran so hot thought fire was forthcoming, and bought the half moon Imac G4 with LCD screen and a eMac a few years later. Original router a modem via phone line
    then high speed internet arrived and boughta Linkys Router (died after a few weeks and replaced under warranty but bought a Apple Airport white dome 802.11B
    until getting the D-Link 802.11g DGL -4300 (Gamer Lounge) added the two antenna's
    a Motorola cable ,odem and am looking at AirPort Extreme Base Stations (but would Love to get this running right and everyone on the net and printing to the A/E USB connected laser printer . Its a Interesting story how we ended up with a PC in the house but will stop here

    Thank You!!!!

    ambienttales
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    ambienttales wrote:
    I read the tips section and their was a post that said be precise and include everything (I went way, way, way, overboard)


    "precise" can be the enemy of "concise". Your computer history may be interesting to some, but it gets in the way of getting help with your problem. For now you might want to restrict yourself to specific answers to questions. If someone needs more details, those can be requested. (Another mistake people requesting help tend to make is not answering direct questions about their situation, so try not to do that.) Nontechnical details like why something was bought don't help with the solution of the problem. And I think that long posts tend to cause people's (myself included) eyes to "glaze over" and encourage them to move on to the next issue.

    I need to get to one network now, and to configure the A/E is that done in the Airport Express (?Utility)and also with a Mac using Tiger or greater or a PC with Win XP Home or Pro(ours runs XPPro.and after delete the un neede second network from all Mac's and the PC.


    (Extraneous details, again.) I don't know if your Dlink router requires any special configuration to allow a unit such as your AirPort Express to join its network. Is your AirPort express a newer model A1264 or is it an older model A1084 or A1088? If it's a model A1064, try using AirPort Utility to configure it to "join" the Dlink's network If during that configuration process you can see the Dlink router in AirPort Utility, that's a good sign.

    I give You great credit if You read this entire post


    I did not read the entire original post. It just contained too much irrelevant detail.
  • dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    William Boyd, Jr.

    The model of the Airport Express is A1084, Re: D-Link Router cnfiguration does require putting in the admin password when adding any computer or gaming system
    (*caveat though the Mac Book Pro (bought Dec 2009 and current model) was not added to the router as a client, wether a guest mode is enabled or it is picking up another network is unclear and will be checked.It was charged upon arrival and
    "Bingo" online.

    I do appreciate your help and note your name in many replies to posts and people should be Thankful that You take time to help (regardless of their ability to express them selves, I have read posts that basicaally said I have this and that
    and trued nothing Help Me, I guess I am at a different plane (or paralell universe)I am a music lover and creator , perhaps that is why I can not write technical posts...If you want to learn about sof synths,real synths,virtual instruments, guitars, effects,digital modeling, series versus parallel. out of phase and A-Z on guitars and pickups Self Taught Guiatrist, and Pianist and now synths and DAW's (Digital Audio Workstations) (I am self taught) I explore ambient music and sonic spaces ...

    Peace and Thanks
    ambienttales
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    ambienttales wrote:
    The model of the Airport Express is A1084


    That model of AirPort Express doesn't support the more-flexible "dynamic WDS" arrangement, only the less-flexible "static WDS" arrangement, which (I believe) requires more coordination on the part of the "parent" node. You don't mention which model of D-Link router you have, but some of those seem to support WDS. I suspect connecting your D-Link and AirPort Express via WDS will require using the D-Link's Web administrative interface.

    I can help you with the WDS configuration of the AirPort Express, but as I have no experience with D-Link routers, you'll either have to manage the D-Link configuration yourself or hope that someone here can offer advice.
  • theubrtiko Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hello,

    This is my first post and I dont know if this is the right thread to post it but here it goes.

    I own 2 older Airport Express stations (about 2 years old each) and had a network set up at my old home with one being the main station and the other one extending the network's range. I had set up that network with a 15 inch mac book pro purchased about 2 years ago that I no longer own (it was stolen).
    I have moved into a new place and have a new computer (13 inch new mac book pro). I reset both airports to factory settings to set up a new network with my new ISP. I am able to set up either base as the main, however when setting up the secondary one (to extend the range) I keep getting an error message. I am able to go through the full set up process and when im done the computer lags a little stating "configuring main network for new WDS device" and after a minute or so I get an error message saying "There was an error setting up this wireless device for WDS. Quit airport utility and try again"

    I am using airport utility 5.4.2.

    Thanks
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    theubrtiko wrote:
    This is my first post and I dont know if this is the right thread to post it but here it goes.


    Welcome to Apple's discussion groups. You posted in the best section for your problem, but you really should have started your own thread. That makes it easier to track whether your problem is solved.

    I own 2 older Airport Express stations (about 2 years old each) and had a network set up at my old home with one being the main station and the other one extending the network's range.


    If your AirPort Express units are models A1264 (released in March 2008), then they are the latest available model. If they are models 1084 or A1088, they actually are older. Which model they are can have a big effect on how you configure them. Please identify that.
  • theubrtiko Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hello William,

    Thank you for the help, the are both in fact A1084 models.

    Any help you can provide me will be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    theubrtiko wrote:
    Thank you for the help, the are both in fact A1084 models.


    You'll have to configure those into a "static WDS" network arrangement. First locate the "AirPort ID" (MAC address) of each unit, which is embossed on the outside of the case. Second, pick a network name, network password, encryption type, and channel for your network. These will need to be the same on both units. Third, use AirPort Utility to configure the "main" station. Declare the base station name, base station password, network name, password, and encryption type. Under the AirPort panel, Wireless tab, set "Wireless Mode" to "Participate in a WDS network". Click on the "WDS" tab and set "WDS Mode" to "WDS main". Add the AirPort ID of the other unit in the area for "WDS Remotes". Update the unit. Once that's working correctly, work on the other unit. Configure it separately, except that you'll declare it to be a "WDS remote" and enter the AirPort ID of the main unit.
  • dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    William Boyd Jr.

    Hello again,

    D-Link Router is model DGL-4300 (along with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional
    7dbi Antenna . Our Cable Internet ISP (Roadrunner) provides consumers with dynamic ISP address's . All Mac's have Airport Cards and The Hp Tower XW4550 has a D-Link Rangebooster G Desktop Adapter WDA-2320 (also with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional 7 dbi Antenna (the PC OS is Win XP Pro Service Pack 3) The 3 desktop Mac's run OSX Panther 10.3.9 , The 15" MacBook Pro OS is OSX 10.6 Snow
    Leopard (not sure what is after the .6 (right now) D-Link's website is
    http://www.dlink.com , I have configured this router multiple times in the past.
    also added as clients on the network (Utilizing the D-Link Router) are a X-Box 360, Sony Play Station PS3, and a Nintendo Wii all of which have on line ability
    and enables online video game play with any one online.

    As mentioned prior the Airport Port Express is Model A1084 Part No. M9447OLL/A
    which is USB conected to a HP LaseJet B&W , model 1020 and some how the two computers near it can switch to the Airport Express Network from the D-Link Router based Network and print wirelessly to the A/E connected LaserJetPrinter

    I realize I will need to reconfigure the D-Link Router and add the A/E as a client. I will try first to use the Airport Utility and see if I can do anything
    Utilizing it (adding it to the D-Link network, I think its unlikely but worth a try but* the password is unknown but I have a few guess's as to what it may be.

    I do have the necessary admin and network paswwords to cconfigure the D-Link Router,

    1) * If the the A/E Utility experiment fails and I need to re-configure the router * do I need to (as per the Airport Express Set Up Guide (Use a Mac with OSX 10.4 or later or a PC with Win Xp Home or Professional (have a desk top PC that has the specs) and The Mac Book Pro meets the Mac Spec's)
    If I can not get a password to work on the A/E I would reset it using the reset button
    And before plugging in the A/E , connect the appropraite cables in our case a USB cable to the LaserJet Printer then plug in the A/E

    2) I would then connect by Ethernet from Either the Mac Laptop or The PC to the D-Link router (if not the router will not set-up correctly)

    3) The one question that puzzles me is that we are not using the A/E as a base
    but a client
    in two sections(Using Airport Express , connecting a Printer via USB
    and use Airprt Utility to create a new network or join a new newWireless computers using Mac OSX 10.2.7 (Tiger) or later or a PC with Windows XP and it then goes in to the steps of ising the printer for both a Mac and a PC (using Bonjour on the CD that came with the A/E (this appears to contradict needing to use Mac OSx 10.4 or a PC with Win Xp set the A/E up for use as a printer
    (joiing a new network or existig one)
    And in Chapter 5 Tips and Roubleshooting= Your Airport Express Status Light Flashes amber & Your Printer is not responding (it is flashing amber and the printer does not respond to the two computers upsstairs (one Mac running OSX 10.3.9 & One PC running WinXp and its states to make sure the printer is selected
    in the Printer list o client computers, to do this on a Mac using OSX 10.3 or later , open Printer Set Up Utility and follow steps and if a PC with Windows XP , Open Printers and faxes and then follow steps

    in Closing ? can I configure the A/E Utility with a Mac using 10.3.9 as above or
    ? Per Chapter 1 Getting Started use a Mac with OSX 10.4 or later or a PC with Windows Xp Home or Professional
    Perhaps I am taking the tips and trouble shooting and Printer Set up out of context or does the getting Started Computer specs contradict them or are they
    for use if the A/E was going to be a Base Station and not a client..

    Will keep at it,

    ambienttales
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    ambienttales wrote:
    D-Link Router is model DGL-4300 (along with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional
    7dbi Antenna . Our Cable Internet ISP (Roadrunner) provides consumers with dynamic ISP address's . All Mac's have Airport Cards and The Hp Tower XW4550 has a D-Link Rangebooster G Desktop Adapter WDA-2320 (also with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional 7 dbi Antenna (the PC OS is Win XP Pro Service Pack 3) The 3 desktop Mac's run OSX Panther 10.3.9 , The 15" MacBook Pro OS is OSX 10.6 Snow
    Leopard (not sure what is after the .6 (right now)


    You're still providing way too much detail. For example, although I'm sure it's useful to you, that antenna plays no role in your configuration issue. You're also repeating a lot of details you posted in prior messages. You don't need to post them here as well.

    D-Link's website is http://www.dlink.com , I have configured this router multiple times in the past.


    Good. That means I can follow through with my intention not to become familiar with your router. You should be able to do what you need to do to it.

    also added as clients on the network (Utilizing the D-Link Router) are a X-Box 360, Sony Play Station PS3, and a Nintendo Wii all of which have on line ability
    and enables online video game play with any one online.


    More unnecessary detail...

    As mentioned prior the Airport Port Express is Model A1084 Part No. M9447OLL/A


    That's useful detail.

    which is USB conected to a HP LaseJet B&W , model 1020 and some how the two computers near it can switch to the Airport Express Network from the D-Link Router based Network and print wirelessly to the A/E connected LaserJetPrinter


    Yet more unnecessary detail.

    I realize I will need to reconfigure the D-Link Router and add the A/E as a client.


    That's the key. First reconfigure the D-Link router, then configure the AirPort Express.

    I will try first to use the Airport Utility and see if I can do anything
    Utilizing it (adding it to the D-Link network, I think its unlikely but worth a try


    Don't be a pessimist. Just try it.

    but* the password is unknown but I have a few guess's as to what it may be.


    You can always to a "hard reset" to bring it back to factory settings. Hold in the reset button (a small gray circle near the connectors) while applying power, then continue to press on the button until the status light flashes rapidly several times.
  • dwwavedsk Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Have started with using the A/E utilty, and got to a point where the light on the A/E did flash green and amber (with prompt "stop the flashing") which I did and it took me to a screen where I can change the Network name as well as password and it is using WEP seccurity and can change that password as well (they are unknown to me)so read up on that in A/E Apple Support.

    Further changes require Admin utility (it seems)and a 3rd step regarding security change's would require reconfigure of the D-Link Router and ? the A/E
    "Hopefully will be succesfull and not have to reconfigure the router, but it would be adding one client. But strange things happen when the router gets configured or items added.

    (Not Sure of Relevancy (I am sure You will tell me( It did want to mention that the A/E software being used is Version 5.1
    (2Z694-6041-A (what ever that second set means) I have seen further updates available but not a worry now or should it?

    ambienttales

    Message was edited by: ambienttales due to mispellings
  • William Boyd, Jr. Level 6 Level 6 (10,515 points)
    ambienttales wrote:
    Have started with using the A/E utilty, and got to a point where the light on the A/E did flash green and amber (with prompt "stop the flashing") which I did and it took me to a screen where I can change the Network name as well as password and it is using WEP seccurity and can change that password as well (they are unknown to me)so read up on that in A/E Apple Support.


    I have no idea what you mean by any of that.

    The first thing you need to do is to adjust the settings on your D-Link router so that it will participate in a "WDS" arrangement with your AirPort Express. Check back with me when you've completed that step.
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