I have an 8X AGP graphics buss in a dual 1.8 G5. It runs on 5.5 gB of memory. I still have the original 5200 video card. I just bought a 24 inch NEC flat screen. I'm thinking of upgrading my video card to one of the flashed models I see on EBay, like the 7800 GS I've seen recommended other places on the mac discussion group..
I am a sound editor. My work involves a lot of Protools and also Photoshop quite a bit. I have a few concerns about getting a new video card, that I am hoping someone might be able to answer.
1. My 5200 card doesn't have a fan. All these faster cards have a dedicated fan. Noise is an issue when I am recording. Can someone tell me if a video card fan will add any extra noise than the fans that are already installed in my G5? Or should i expect, for example, a doubling of noise when i add a card? I notice that there's two versions of the 7800 GS, one with a copper fan, and one with a smaller aluminum fan. Do they generate the same amount of noise?
2. I don't play computer games. I don't do graphics modeling. I don't watch movies on my computer. However, the Protools screen is constantly refreshing as tracks move horizontally from right to left. Also, Protools takes every bit of computer power it can steal from the mac system. The main reason I would buy a new card is that I would assume it will take some of the graphics processing load off the CPU, with the result that Protools (and everything else) will work better. And look smoother. Is this a fair assumption? Or won't there much noticeable improvement, since i don't play computer games? Thanks for your help
Message was edited by: jim nollman
Message was edited by: jim nollman
Dual 1.8 G5 (Leopard) and 13 inch macbook (SnowL),
Mac OS X (10.5.8)
There is nothing obvious in the windowserver log entries. The Entourage "error" is normal and often seen, as are others similarly during startup. The monitor is being configured correctly, it would seem, and the other, later errors are probably red herrings. For a second, I thought the ROM version was funny, but then I read again that you have the GT not Ultra, as the ROM version for the Ultra is 2130 which probably makes sense.
I deleted the microsoft database daemon from the account/login, menu.
I have also read the troubleshooting guide you posted. Thanks for that. I'll try a process of elimination of all the items in the Library/startup folder. I know what some of these folders are used for, but not all of them. I do not know any of these folders: Qmaster, trackdelete, retrorun, dyndnsupdater.
I also enclose here, the Console's system.log entries from this morning. I may have unearthed something, but I don't know how to interpret it. Note, in the entries, where the time suddenly changes from 5:59 to 6:59 with nothing in between. I am wondering if the freeze occurred at 5:59. As always, i wait some seconds to see if the G5 has indeed, frozen, then reboot using the startup button to turn it off, then on again. This second boot is always successful.
In this instance, the freeze MAY BE occurring during a process called "Matching service counts". What does that mean? What could make that stop?
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC
Jul 20 09:05:55 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: /dev/disk1s9 on / (hfs, local, journaled)
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/dashboardadvisoryd.plist
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach
init.d/fixprebinding.plist.obsolete
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.RemoteDesktop.PrivilegeProxy): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.usbmuxd): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.ntp.ntpd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight
Jul 20 09:05:57 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.x.privileged_startx): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kextd[12]: 454 cached, 0 uncached personalities to catalog
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: vm
pagebootstrap: 1398027 free pages and 43765 wired pages
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: mig
table_maxdispl = 79
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: 108 prelinked modules
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo
policyinit for TMSafetyNet
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet)
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.seatbelt
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo
policyinit for mb
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Seatbelt MACF policy initialized
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt Policy (mb)
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: MAC Framework successfully initialized
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: using 16384 buffer headers and 4096 cluster IO buffer headers
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: DART enabled
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) Apple ID 42 PCI now active, GUID 000a95fffeb05a64; max speed s800.
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: mbinit: done
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Security auditing service present
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: BSM auditing present
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: rooting via boot-uuid from /chosen: CFD2866D-7914-3AE4-B1B0-47F48EA32162
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOProviderClass</key><string ID="1">IOResources</string><key>IOResourceMatch</key><string ID="2">boot-uuid-media</string></dict>
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Got boot device = IOService:/MacRISC4PE/ht@0,f2000000/AppleMacRiscHT/pci@7/IOPCI2PCIBridge/k2-sat a-root@C/AppleK2SATARoot/k2-sata@0/AppleK2SATA/ATADeviceNub@0/AppleATADiskDriver /IOATABlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDriver/Maxtor 6Y160M0 Maxtor 6Y160M0/IOApplePartitionScheme/Untitled@9
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: BSD root: disk1s9, major 14, minor 13
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Jettisoning kernel linker.
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Resetting IOCatalogue.
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 2
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 8
Jul 20 09:05:59: --- last message repeated 4 times ---
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 10
Jul 20 09:05:59 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 49
Jul 20 09:06:59 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: fsck_hfs: Volume is journaled. No checking performed.
Jul 20 09:06:59 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: fsck_hfs: Use the -f option to force checking.
Jul 20 09:06:59 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: /dev/disk0s9 on / (hfs, local, journaled)
Jul 20 09:07:00 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: BootCacheControl: could not open /var/db/BootCache.playlist: No such file or directory
Jul 20 09:07:00 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: BootCacheControl: could not unlink playlist /var/db/BootCache.playlist: Unknown error: -1
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/dashboardadvisoryd.plist
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach
init.d/fixprebinding.plist.obsolete
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.RemoteDesktop.PrivilegeProxy): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.usbmuxd): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.ntp.ntpd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight
Jul 20 09:07:01 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.x.privileged_startx): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kextd[12]: 454 cached, 0 uncached personalities to catalog
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: vm
pagebootstrap: 1268803 free pages and 41917 wired pages
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: mig
table_maxdispl = 79
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: 108 prelinked modules
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo
policyinit for TMSafetyNet
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet)
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.seatbelt
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo
policyinit for mb
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Seatbelt MACF policy initialized
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt Policy (mb)
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: MAC Framework successfully initialized
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: using 16384 buffer headers and 4096 cluster IO buffer headers
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: DART enabled
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) Apple ID 42 PCI now active, GUID 000a95fffeb05a64; max speed s800.
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: mbinit: done
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Security auditing service present
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: BSM auditing present
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: rooting via boot-uuid from /chosen: CFD2866D-7914-3AE4-B1B0-47F48EA32162
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOProviderClass</key><string ID="1">IOResources</string><key>IOResourceMatch</key><string ID="2">boot-uuid-media</string></dict>
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Got boot device = IOService:/MacRISC4PE/ht@0,f2000000/AppleMacRiscHT/pci@7/IOPCI2PCIBridge/k2-sat a-root@C/AppleK2SATARoot/k2-sata@0/AppleK2SATA/ATADeviceNub@0/AppleATADiskDriver /IOATABlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDriver/Maxtor 6Y160M0 Maxtor 6Y160M0/IOApplePartitionScheme/Untitled@9
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: BSD root: disk0s9, major 14, minor 13
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: jnl: unknown-dev: replay_journal: from: 9318400 to: 9777664 (joffset 0x261656000)
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: jnl: unknown-dev: journal replay done.
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Jettisoning kernel linker.
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Resetting IOCatalogue.
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 2
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 8
Jul 20 09:07:04: --- last message repeated 4 times ---
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 10
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 49
Jul 20 09:07:04: --- last message repeated 5 times ---
Jul 20 09:07:04 localhost kernel[0]: PowerMac7,2: stalling for module
Jul 20 09:07:05 localhost kernel[0]: Matching service count = 1
Jul 20 09:07:05 localhost kernel[0]: rtclock timebase_callback: late old 1000000000 / 33332185 new 1000000000 / 33332185
Jul 20 09:07:05 localhost kernel[0]: NVDANV40HAL loaded and registered.
Jul 20 09:07:05 localhost kextd[12]: kext doesn't have all dependencies
Jul 20 09:07:05 localhost kextd[12]: can't generate internal dependency graph for /System/Library/Extensions/KensingtonMouseDriver.kext/Contents/PlugIns/USBMouse X1.kext
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: kld(): Undefined symbols:
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost kextd[15]: kld
load_frommemory() failed for module /System/Library/Extensions/CHUDProf.kext/Contents/MacOS/CHUDProf_Panther
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _LockTimeOut
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
convert_port_toact
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _copyin
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _copyout
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
cpunumber
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
cpusignal
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _dgWork
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _exit
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
find_userregs
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
hostinfo
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
hostself
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
hw_cpusync
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
kdbg_controlchud
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
machineslot
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
machine_thread_getstate
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
machine_thread_setstate
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
memactual
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
ml_phys_read64
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
needast
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
per_procinfo
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _perfIntHook
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]: _perfTrapHook
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
perfmon_acquirefacility
Jul 20 09:07:06 localhost com.apple.kextd[12]:
perfmon_releasefacility
OK, this is getting interesting. It took me a while to figure out that you had the two boots there, and I notice in the first bad boot some things that are interesting. First, as I would expect after an orderly shutdown, there is no journal replay, as opposed to the boot when you have forced the machine down and you did get journal replay. I also notice that NVDANV40HAL does not load the first time, which should be happening right after the matching services rigamarole. That guy not loading is definitely a killer for a proper boot with any Nvidia card. I suspect there is something left in the boot volume directory that is probably causing the problem, or maybe a cache file.
Have you used AppleJack? That can clean up a lot of crud lying around, like cache files that my be corrupted, etc. Worth a shot. Check for use and download information of this great freeware (donations encouraged) at this link:
http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ .
Before i do any of this stuff you two guys advice, I need it spelled out in a little more detail.
BDAqua, are you telling me to uninstall all of the Kensington stuff, and then reinstall it all again? Or will it suffice to first try emptying the Kensington cache, and if that doesn't change anything, to reload the driver. And then, third, try to purge my system of everything kensington?
OldCommguy, You are advising me, basically, to delete ALL my cache files. I already own "CleanMyMac which will do that task very well, and I seem to recall that this utility lets you choose app caches and/or system caches. I am presuming you mean both types. Correct?
What else can i try?
I will run CleanMyMac, and report back tomorrow if it makes the freeze disappear.
System caches are the area most likely to need cleaning. My guess, though, because there is a certain level of voodoo involved in problems like this.
One other thing to try would be a Safe Boot one time, which will essentially cause the machine to run fsck (I don't see that we advised that before) which might clear up any strange directory problems that are causing this situation. I suggest that because, again, the journal replay from the good boot is a clue pointing to something honked in the directory structure that isn't corrected in the boot after normal shutdown.
I ran Cleanmymac, which deleted 600 mb of caches, although it seemed to indicate that all of that was application cache, and none of it was system cache. I also had it clean up some other stuff. Then I uninstalled my trackpad using the proper Kensington uninstall. I started it in safe mode. Then i turned off the machine properly, and hit start.
It started the first time. First time in 3 weeks.
So then I re-installed a new trackball driver downloaded from the Kensington site, noting that it bears a date of 2006. It still started OK, but as soon as i got control of the desktop, the cursor froze. So I started again, uninstalled the mouse, and connected my original Apple mouse. It seems to work, although i need to try it over a few days time to make sure.
One other thing. After I cleaned all the caches, i noticed that it took an inordinate amount of time for the G5 to reboot. So is it slowly rebuilding the caches?
As i say the trackball is quite old and was bought when i was using cougar! I do love my turbo mouse pro, but maybe this is a sign that i need to bite the bullet and buy a new trackball. I'm sure Kensington will have nothing to offer me.
If the freeze recurs in the next few days, I'll update this thread.
jim nollman wrote:
thanks for the advice. yes, indeed, voodoo.
One other thing. After I cleaned all the caches, i noticed that it took an inordinate amount of time for the G5 to reboot. So is it slowly rebuilding the caches?
Well, at first, it rebuilds what it needs because the cache files are not there to load, so it does take a little longer. As you activate things, caches will rebuild as needed. Clearing the system caches causes one annoying artifact, which is when you launch some applications, you will be informed that you haven't opened the application before and do you really want to open it. After you say "yes" you don't get the alert again.
Thanks for all the advice guys. I do believe the problem is solved. The computer now boots as it is supposed to boot.
I have an email into Kensington customer service, basically saying that the only driver they offer us trackball users is so dated it freezes my system. I realize that 6 years of mouse service is a long time in computer years, but who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
It's been three weeks since i thought the problem was solved. It is and it isn't.
i bought a new expert trackball. The old trackball was clearly PART of the problem, something in the hardware, maybe the USB connector.
The real culprit is the video, either the monitor (NEC 2490wuxi2), the flashed video card, or a combination of both. Basically, the computer ALWAYS freezes if i turn on the computer before I turn on the monitor. If i turn on the monitor first, it never freezes. That also explains why it never froze the SECOND time i rebooted.
Turning on the monitor FIRST, may be the only solution I'm ever going to get. That's OK unless something more permanent shows up. As I thought from the start, It is almost certainly some bug in the video card's flashed ROM.
Hi, get a Mac Edition radeon 9800 pro 128 card.My G4 has 5 fans but i didn't notice much noise from the 9800 after i installed it.Aren't G5's noisier than G4's?If so then maybe a 9800 would work for you.
