Mac OS 7.1 Updates

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Mac OS 7.1 Updates

I just installed Mac OS 7.1 on my Mac SE with 4 MB of RAM. It has also been recently upgraded to a Mac SE FDHD logic board and a 1.44 MB floppy drive. So far I have installed the System Update 3.0. What other updates should I install beyond the obvious ones like SimpleText & System 7 TuneUp?

refurbished 17 Revision B iMac G5 1.8 GHz & refurbished 12 PowerBook G4 1.5 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Posted on Nov 18, 2005 2:29 PM

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Answer 1

Denis Eddy

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Nov 21, 2005 3:43 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

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The pickle, in that reference, writes

Make sure you install Finder 7.1.3 as well; it's in the Thread Manager package, inside the Finder 7.1.3 folder.

That is, in fact, a bum steer. He was probably doing what we all do at some time: relying on fallible memory (of the biological kind). The Finder 7.1.3 folder is instead in the Macintosh Drag and Drop folder rather than Thread Manager folder.

Only you can assess the utility to you of CFM-68k Runtime Enabler. Try it, because it is worth having if you have disk space of 796kB (on an HFS+ formatted HDD, at least) available. The extension alone is 416kB. As a shared library it will be called upon when it is needed, and most often in conjunction with Thread Manager. But see the first sentence of this para.

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Niel

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Nov 18, 2005 9:06 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

You might find Disk First Aid 7.22 and the Network Software Installer 1.51 useful on your configuration. The System Update 3.0 includes SimpleText, and you only need the System 7 Tuneup on 7.0 and 7.01 systems, as it is built in to 7.1 and newer.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 19, 2005 8:38 AM in response to Niel

Unless I install a network card I think the Network Software Installer 1.51 wouldn't help much. Unless I found a network adapter for the computer's SE PDS slot I don't think it would be networkable (probably very rare these days). It's nice to know that SimpleText is included in System Update 3.0 but I think Apple may have an even newer version available in the Support Downloads section of their website. It's version 1.3. I think I already have version 7.2.2 of Disk First Aid on a floppy.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 20, 2005 7:02 PM in response to Denis Eddy

Thanks for the fast answer. Unfortunately that doesn't quite answer my question completely. According to the pickle's Low-End Mac FAQ v. 7.1.3 of the Finder is supposed to be in a Finder 7.1.3 folder after extracting the Thread Manager file. I did extract the Thread Manager file and couldn't find the folder anywhere. Is having CFM-68K Runtime Enabler 4.0 installed on a Mac SE FDHD really worth doing? It sounds like something that consumes a lot of memory.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 21, 2005 8:13 AM in response to Denis Eddy

I have one last question; according to Apple's specs for the Mac SE FDHD it is capable of running up to Mac OS 7.5.5. I realize how slow other people say trying this is. One of the original reasons I posted this question was that I wanted to know if running Mac OS 7.5.5 on a Mac as old a Mac SE FDHD is doable and worth trying. The entire reason for my buying the Mac SE and upgrading it to a Mac SE FDHD was so I could play old Sierra online games made in the early to late eighties. Would Mac OS 7.5.5 be fast enough for my needs or should I stick with Mac OS 7.1?

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Denis Eddy

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Nov 21, 2005 7:06 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

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I have direct experience only of 'pushing' a Classic to System 7.5. It behaved with such verve and sparkle, even when maxed out at a whole 4MB of RAM (eat your heart out, 512Ke, and my 512Ke has 2MB) that I happily retired it to 6.0.8, which I rather liked in those far-off, dimly-visible days when the SE and Classic were new.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 23, 2005 7:46 AM in response to Denis Eddy

I just extracted Drag and Drop. I even installed Mac Easy Open as suggested by the ReadMe file. None of this appears to have done any good as I've searched every folder and can't find Finder 7.1.3. Any other ideas as to where the file may be?

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Denis Eddy

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Nov 23, 2005 10:18 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

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I can't even begin to imagine why you are having such vile bad luck in finding the Finder. I have all of those files mentioned by the pickle on my 9500 as I write this on an iMac. I downloaded them for my SE/30s in June of this year.

Macintosh Drag and drop ƒ has in it:

Clipping Extension; Clippings ƒ; Demo Applications ƒ; Documentation ƒ; Dragging Enabler (extension); DragLib; Finder 7.1.3 ƒ; Interfaces&Libraries (alias); Macintosh Drag and Drop (extension); Read Me First.

I cannot suppose where else Finder 7.1.3 can have migrated.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 23, 2005 6:07 PM in response to Denis Eddy

I found everything you mentioned in the folder except DragLib and Finder 7.1.3. I'm starting to wonder if the Mac SE FDHD is too old for a update like Finder 7.1.3. I do also remember reading some Apple instructions in the Drap and Drop ReadMe file implying I must have Mac Easy Open installed. I installed that and I still can't find the Finder.

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Denis Eddy

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Nov 23, 2005 10:08 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

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It is difficult to imagine that the download process had the sophistication to know what the ultimate target machine of the download was, and decide not to send some portion of the software on that account. If you cannot find portions of the software after decompression and decoding, you have to suspect the download and decoding processes, or the source server.

Why not repeat the download?

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 24, 2005 10:37 AM in response to Denis Eddy

How will I know if my download is corrupted? I downloaded it onto my Power Mac 7600/132 which has been upgraded to a 512 MB of RAM, Sonnet G3 500 MHz processor, a Adaptec AVA-2906 SCSI card, and a ATI Radeon 9200 PCI card. My Power Mac 7600/132's RAM config is four interleaved 128 MB RAM modules. I then transferred the file onto a Zip disk. It seemed to work fine.

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Denis Eddy

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Nov 25, 2005 7:47 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

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As a generality, it is better not to expand or decode older system software on newer Macs, as you may have done here. (OS 9.x at a guess?) Download to a newer Mac, by all means, then transfer the .hqx, .sea, .bin or whatever file, just as received, to the target Mac and decode it there. Sometimes this may mean that you need another old Mac for the decoding, but that's life. You probably don't need another old Mac in the present case, because the target Mac is working, but the procedure is worth keeping in mind for the future. Whatever the machine used for download, still do the decoding on an oldie if the software is old.

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Craigwd_2000 Author

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Nov 27, 2005 3:17 PM in response to Denis Eddy

I would just like to say that I've tried expanding the Drag and Drop .sea.bin file using both StuffIt Expander 4.0.1 and MindExpander 1.0. They both seem able to decode the MacBinary file but only StuffIt Expander can expand the resulting .sea file without a error (MindExpander gives a error; I forget exactly which). I've also searched every folder and found no trace of the Finder 7.1.3 file which is mentioned in the Drap and Drop Readme file. I'm starting to think it is part of a different package or it needs to be extracted from one of the resulting files. Any ideas about that thought? I'm also sorry for the double post; I couldn't edit my previous post.

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Denis Eddy

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Nov 29, 2005 9:03 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

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The essence of the file suffix .sea is that the file is a self-expanding archive. StuffIt is necessary to decode the .bin file, but only double-clicking is necessary to expand the .sea file that results from StuffIt's first decoding. The expanding app. (which is, nonetheless, a StuffIt creation) is built into a .sea file.

You had not mentioned before that the version of StuffIt that you are using is 4.0.1. If you have been attempting to decode with this version under OS 9.2.2 you have been asking a great deal, even too much, of such an elderly version. I suggest that you use instead at least StuffIt 5.5, which can run under System 7.1.1 to OS 9.0. StuffIt 4.x is supported only as high as OS 8.5. StuffIt Expander interacts intensively with Finder, and the two must work together. You need to use a version of StuffIt that will mate with the Finder present on the drive. For a 68000 processor, StuffIt 2.0 is much more suitable (Plus to Mac II, including SE).

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Answer 15

Nov 30, 2005 4:03 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

The lowest version of Stuffit I've found(a Stuffit lite,3.0.7) on a link Denis Eddy has provided. The 4.0.1 from MacDisk works just fine on my SE.
You may have a look at(some stuffit):
http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive/Archive/Compress_&Translate/ You can download Stuffit 5.5 at(search for stuffit there):
http://www.macorchard.com/
or at:
http://www.oldos.org/files/macdl.php
Works with my OS 9.1(got the version from ebay,Deluxe)
You can also get a free trial of the new Stuffit:
http://www.stuffit.com/mac/index.html

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