12 Replies Latest reply: Mar 24, 2010 12:23 PM by kindkind1
kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
Hey, I was watching some HD video streams yesterday and i went back to my macbook today with it telling me i had zero kb available. I was thinking that the stream must have gone into a cache somewhere, so i used cocktail to empty user caches, freeing up about 200mb. I also used the safari clear cache function and restarted but all im still at just 270mb free.
I think i had about 5gb free yesterday, so it went somewhere. Help?
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,010 points)
    Yikes, that's still dangerously low, Log files can eat up a lot too.

    At this point I think you should get Applejack...

    http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19596

    After installing, reboot holding down CMD+s, (+s), then when the DOS like prompt shows, type in...

    applejack AUTO

    Then let it do all 5 of it's things.

    At least it'll eliminate some questions if it doesn't fix it.

    The 6 things it does are...

    Correct any Disk problems.
    Repair Permissions.
    Clear out Cache Files.
    Repair/check several plist files.
    Dump the VM files for a fresh start.
    Trash old Log files.

    Once you get a few GB free... How much free space is on the HD, where has all the space gone?

    OmniDiskSweeper is likely the easiest/best, and is now free...

    http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnidisksweeper/download/
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    hi, thanks for the help,
    i just now went ahead and installed applejack, but had a problem because once i rebooted into applejack i typed 'applejack AUTO' and basically got a command error, "applejack" is not recognized as an internal command...

    I read the applejack readme and it says i could also do applejack auto, i restarted and tried again, but the error persists, "applejack" is not recognized. Maybe this is because i have multiple partitions on my drive? Anyway, it doesnt work, i will try to run the omni program from my tower i suppose.
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,010 points)
    You can also just type applejack, if that isn't recognized then it's not installed on the Partition you're booting from I think.
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    in omni sweeper i am coming across some curiosities -
    There are 2 "users" folders, both appear to be identical in size and contents. I was thinking it could be just the way the program shows "macintosh HD" and "username". the folder is 21.4 GBx2, so is my OS somehow making a duplicate users folder? Because i need to include the total 42.8GB there with the other totals omni gives me to get my hd capacity of 80gb.

    i could do a pic but this is the output of the program:
    21.4 GB Users
    21.4 GB Users
    13.3 GB Library
    13.6 GB Applications
    2.3 GB System
    2.1 GB private -(used space on my linux partition)
    1.7 GB Volumes

    so this all adds up to about 75GB, but i dont see my bootcamp partition.? and the duplicate users folder? not making sense. but it adds up. my toshiba hd capacity is 74.5 according to disk utility, making up that is 56.5GB macintoshHD, my windows part is 14.2GB, and linx part is 3.4GB).

    So yeah, weird that omni gets me the total space correct but, if i have 21.4GB of this duplicate folder then that could explain why i have always thought i was missing space... but within the finder, there is no indication of a duplicate folder, (also i used the program invisibles to show invisible folders and i still have only the one users folder when i look at mac hd on my macbook)

    And not to further add to the stew, but omni comes up with that last big item, the 1.7gb Volumes folder. its contents are only a very few items that are contained on a separate hd i have currently hooked up to my tower. when you double click on a folder that omni shows in its list, the finder pulls up that folder, for my 2 users folders, finder on the tower pulls up two windows showing the good old "Users" folder within a list. When i click on that volumes folder, i get nothing. FYI, the volumes folder is apparently an invisible folder, it is useless so i will delete it.

    good news there, but i am still wondering about the two users folders omni comes up with, i wouldnt know which to delete...

    edit: i wanted to mention that there is only one user, but i did at one point a while ago attempt to change the computer name, dont know if somehow that could have resulted in this mysterious identically updated folder over time...

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  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,010 points)
    Hmmm, this is pretty strange!?

    i did at one point a while ago attempt to change the computer name, dont know if somehow that could have resulted in this mysterious identically updated folder over time...


    How exactly did you try that? Was it by remaning your User's folder or the like?

    Omni has only ever come up with one Users folder for me, I think there must be some corruption on your HD. You can't have 2 identically named files or folders at the same level.

    When i click on that volumes folder, i get nothing. FYI, the volumes folder is apparently an invisible folder, it is useless so i will delete it.


    In Finder, select Go menu>Go to Folder, and go to "/volumes".

    Volumes is where an alias to your hard drive ("/" at boot) is placed at startup, and where all the "mount points" for auxiliary drives are created for you to access them. This folder is normally hidden from view.

    Drives with an extra 1 on the end have a side-effect of mounting a drive with the same name as the system already think exists. Try trashing the duplicates with a 1 or 2 if there are no real files in them, and reboot.

    i dont see my bootcamp partition.?


    It's just doing your Mac Partition.
  • roam Level 6 Level 6 (13,560 points)
    BDAqua,

    Do you think that kindkind's 13.3 GB Library is bit large also. Mine is 5.6 GB
    Perhaps Application Support and Caches might be a good choice to look for bloat in that Library. Little to harm if it was just those two folders.
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    BDAqua wrote:


    How exactly did you try that? Was it by remaning your User's folder or the like?


    No, i remember doing it under sharing in sys prefs, and may have done a command in terminal too since 10.4 had some issue with fully changing the computer name.

    Omni has only ever come up with one Users folder for me, I think there must be some corruption on your HD. You can't have 2 identically named files or folders at the same level.


    I ran drive genius remotely and got no bad sectors, did a repair and everything came up ok, did an integrity check, all good. I reran omnisweeper and still have the identical users folder. This duplicated folder is so big i guess i could delete something and see what happens, try to figure out if i could just delete one or the other...


    When i click on that volumes folder, i get nothing. FYI, the volumes folder is apparently an invisible folder, it is useless so i will delete it.


    In Finder, select Go menu>Go to Folder, and go to "/volumes".

    Volumes is where an alias to your hard drive ("/" at boot) is placed at startup, and where all the "mount points" for auxiliary drives are created for you to access them. This folder is normally hidden from view.

    Drives with an extra 1 on the end have a side-effect of mounting a drive with the same name as the system already think exists. Try trashing the duplicates with a 1 or 2 if there are no real files in them, and reboot.


    None have numbers after them, but i did delete the one that was actually a hidden folder containing 1.7gb of one of my external hds. weird!

    i dont see my bootcamp partition.?


    It's just doing your Mac Partition.


    but somewhere in the total GB quantification of omnisweeper it has put the 15GB that my bootcamp partition takes up. I dunno, i am most concerned with the duplicate users folder though.
    thanks for your input.
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Roam,
    caches is only 250mb, my application support folder is 4.8 gb with 3.6GB of that Garageband and IDVD. i dont really use those programs so i can delete if i want, but i do have a 4 gb logs folder. all taken up by console. i did clean logs with cocktail so dont know how bloated it is. could definitely delete some of those printer drivers.
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    i just wanted to follow up and say that i dont believe the extra users folder shown by omni to be real. i can delete from either folder in omni and the macbook will register only the first as a gain in space. When i delete the second file, the macbook does not respond with a gain in space. Also, if i ignore the extra GB of one of the users folder the addition adds up to the used size of the macHD partition. Oh, and just ran omni from my macbook and no duplicate users folder.

    But i know that my free space somehow got sapped up recently, about 5 gb. Maybe its the logs folder, i dont know..

    Edit: i went into the logs window manually in cocktail and deleted archived console logs. shed the 4.1 gb there. hope that wasnt a mistake.
  • roam Level 6 Level 6 (13,560 points)
    Clearing the 4 GB of logs will be a good move. Normally the Mac will clear many of those depending on which are included in the log rotate config file. Not all logs are included.

    As you mentioned watching a bit of video when this problem occurred, you might want delete the contents of
    ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia
    You can delete the Flash Player folder inside, but before you do check its size just for fun. Next time you view a flash video it will be replaced anew.

    So how much do you have spare now,?

    +~ signifies your home folder+

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  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,010 points)
    I'm stumped on the duplicate folder.
  • kindkind1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    not much in the flash folder, like 1.4mb. I was using silverlight so checked there in microsoft but nothing. i have about 12GB free at the moment.