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  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,130 points)
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    Apr 3, 2010 7:31 PM (in response to focomoso)
    focomoso wrote:
    lkrupp wrote:
    Then wait for some Windows box tablet thingy to sometime, maybe, possibly come out.


    That's what I'm going to do, wait for an android tablet, unless someone can confirm that they can use a dvorak keyboard at least through hardware. Then I'll get an iPad.


    Well, I'll short APPL now.
    MacBook Pro (unibody). iPhone 3G S (32GB). iPad (64GB)., Mac OS X (10.6.3), No Windows here
  • Pete R. Calculating status...
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    Apr 3, 2010 10:01 PM (in response to focomoso)
    1) No software Dvorak keyboard
    2) Yes. Bluetooth keyboards can be used in Dvorak mode.
    3) Yes. The keyboard dock can be used in Dvorak mode.

    Hope that helps.

    Pete
  • Adrian Ziemkowski Calculating status...
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    Apr 4, 2010 8:58 PM (in response to focomoso)
    Don't forget to use the suggestion form to suggest they include a software dvorak keyboard!

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html
  • toddsprenkle Calculating status...
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    Apr 4, 2010 11:07 PM (in response to Adrian Ziemkowski)
    Having now looked at a friend's new iPad, I can see the likely reason why Apple currently doesn't support the Dvorak keyboard layout on the popup keyboard: they substantially reduced the number of keys -- in a way that matters more for the Dvorak layout than for the QWERTY layout. For example, there is no key where the 'S' would be on the Dvorak layout. This was probably a compromise in order to make the popup keys large enough and with inter-key spacing closer to a regular keyboard than would otherwise be possible on the limited screen space.

    As a user of the Dvorak keyboard layout exclusively since January 1984 -- on multiple types of computers and operating systems -- I'd be reluctant to buy the iPad without Dvorak keyboard capability. [I've already submitted feedback to Apple.]

    So I'm happy to see from another poster here that the Dvorak keyboard layout is at least supported with either the iPad dock keyboard or a standard bluetooth keyboard.

    [I also think that it would be desirable for Apple to in the future provide optional support for a Dvorak layout on the popup keyboard, perhaps using smaller inter-key spacing in order to accommodate the standard set of keys.]

    Thanks,
    Todd
  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    May 25, 2010 2:42 PM (in response to focomoso)
    There is now a Dvorak virtual keyboard available in the app store.
    iMac Intel/2C2D, eMac G4/700, Mac OS X (10.6), 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 9.2
  • WBmacUser Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
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    May 25, 2010 4:54 PM (in response to focomoso)
    Yeah, but those 3rd party keyboard apps are only going to work within themselves and whatever their app lets you do. In other words, you can't use it type in anybody else's app (including the delivered mail client, safari browser, etc etc etc.

    An O/S level setting is really required for full integration.
  • jonnerjonner Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 12, 2011 12:43 AM (in response to focomoso)

    I am very happy the external keyboards now work with dvorak layout. I'm going to buy a ton of them, eventually (after saving pennys of course) for my daughters school, and I think i'll probably be writting on one myself before the middle of next year. Thank you for bringing up the issue.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,815 points)
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    Nov 12, 2011 5:15 AM (in response to jonnerjonner)

    jonnerjonner wrote:

     

    I am very happy the external keyboards now work with dvorak layout.

     

    As was mentioned earlier in this thread, that was verified in April of 2010, a long time ago already.

  • jc@mac Calculating status...
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:22 PM (in response to focomoso)

    Whew! The perfect bluetooth keyboard in a case for iPad 2!

     

    iHome Bluetooth keyboard case for iPad 2

    Model: IH-IP2100

     

    Choosing DVORAK in the Settings app is awkward because of where they put it - but it works!

     

    Under 'Add a Hardware Keyboard' go all the way to the bottom, and between Belgian and Colemak, you'll see...

     

    Dvorak

     

    What a relief - and this is totally satisfying. Just what I wanted.

     

    One little note is that on the iHome keyboard the right shift key is in a spot that I have missed a few times - instead hitting the up arrow, but after about 5 minutes of typing I seem to have worked that out of my hands.

     

    Enjoy Dvorak on your iHome Bluetooth Keyboard Case!

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:39 PM (in response to focomoso)

    focomoso wrote:

     

    paulcb wrote:
    I didn't think anyone even knew what the Dvorak keyboard was anymore, much less anyone using it.


    I touch type Dvorak, as do many of the fastest typists in the world. If I can't use at least a hardware Dvorak keyboard then the iPad is useless to me.

    The Dvorak keyboard flopped thirty years ago.  It's not a matter of which is better.  It's simply the fact that QWERTY is ingrained.

  • jonnerjonner Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 6:53 AM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    The dvorak layout is an option that has helped me improve my typing (if not my spelling, or attention to details). I think its interesting that people who have negative opinions are actually taking the time to comment on a thread which was obviously started by a person who uses the layout, what is their interest? I use the layout, its helped me, I hope Apple makes it available in software mode on the ipad, whatever the technical difficulties. I am doubtful I will purchase one for my personal use now without it, after having bought one for my wife. Having to lug around an external keyboard would defeat the purpose of buying a tablet.

     

    Sorry I used "now" in my earlier statement. I obviously was just happy about reading the news, no matter when it was posted.

     

    Dvorak has not flopped for me.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 7:19 AM (in response to jonnerjonner)

    It's not a "negative" opinion.  It's just that 150 years of QWERTY habit is hard to break.  On an individual level, very few persons with ten or more years of QWERTY experience, especially those that type quite fast, are willing to change.

     

    The Apple-IIc solution certainly wasn't practical.  Consider that perhaps three or four persons use the same computer and only one wants to use Dvorak.  Who in his/her right mind is going to remove and rearrange all of the keys, type a letter, and then put the keys back in their original positions?

     

    Ironically, something comparable to Dvorak was proposed in the 19th century but it flopped for a different reason.  The design goal of QWERTY was actually to slow down the typist so as to prevent the type arms from getting jammed together!

     

    Just for the record, this is coming from someone that, at one time, typed 65 wpm with a mechanical non-electric typewriter.  I can still type substantially faster with an old-fashioned typewriter keyboard than I can with ANY virtual keyboard.  In my opinion, any benefit of Dvorak is negated by the use of a virtual keyboard and, unfortunately, the low popularity of Dvorak prevents a mechanical keyboard from being cost-effective.

  • jonnerjonner Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 8:15 AM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    It was just negative in the same sense as people who keep saying apple was "going out of business" in other years was negative - i.e. it was inaccurate.

     

    On another note, I re-arrange keys on all my personal computers, as gratefully, that is made possible by how they are designed. I understand this would be unpractical in a work enviornment. In those cases I just use the regular keyboard with dvorak via software. I will train my children on dvorak as they learn to use the computer.

     

    I agree that unless your using something as large as an ipad, which attempts to accomidate touch typing, the layout is negated on virtual keyboards. With the ipad, I simply hope that it will be implemented in the future.

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