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Somewhat disappointed with Pages and KeyNote - any suggestions/workarounds?

I bought the 64G iPad today, and I am a little bit disappointed with the device for my purposes. I am a college professor and I currently lug my Macbook for teaching and research presentations. My primary intended use was presentation in the classroom or in conferences, and the ability to edit (what I consider simple) documents when I travel. Currently, I take my Macbook to the classroom or to conferences and attach it via VGA to the podium and to the projector. I wanted to replace the Macbook with the iPad, but it looks like this won't be as easy as I had thought. Let me explain my primary issues below.

1. I had originally thought that there would be some way (using some dongle, etc.) to connect the iPad wirelessly to the projector, so that I could stand anywhere in the classroom with the iPad in hand and control my presentation, move the pointer, etc. using the iPad's touch surface wirelessly. I realized prior to buying that this ability is currently not there in the iPad, but went ahead with the product anyway. Yes, I am aware of apps such as AirMouse and Apple Remote, etc. that convert your iPhone to a presentation remote, but I was hoping that the iPad will not require an iPhone (with AirMouse or a similar app) to achieve this functionality. As I mentioned, I was prepared for this drawback before the purchase. I was less prepared for the next one.

2. The part that comes as a huge and surprising disappointment - TO ME - is that my Keynote and Pages documents are altered when they are converted to the iPad version. Grouped objects are ungrouped (this for me is a big issue given my complex presentations), endnotes and footnotes are not imported in Pages, Table of Content changes to regular text, some fonts cannot be used on the iPad, etc.

This means, for instance, that I won't be able to do the following: Transfer a Pages document (with footnotes, etc.) to iPad, edit it while on the road, then sync that file back to my Macbook when I reach home. The moment I move the file to the iPad, it loses a whole bunch of things that are standard on most documents that I create (e.g., footnotes and endnotes).

Similarly, I cannot create a Keynote presentation on my Macbook (with grouped objects, for example) and expect it to transfer intact to the iPad. To use the iPad's Keynote I will need to change all my existing KeyNote classnotes (hundreds of pages) to remove the fonts that the iPad does not like, to remove grouped objects and other formatting that the iPad does not like, and so on. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the inclination to dumb down my years of carefully-prepared presentations in this manner

I had thought that the iPad will give me the ability to make presentations more easily and to edit documents while on the road, without having to lug around a laptop. Looks like I am not the target audience for this device yet.

I understand that it is a new device so perhaps things will become smoother over time. In the meanwhile, I am looking for helpful suggestions/tips from other users that may be in a similar bind.

Other than that, it is a great piece of technology but, alas, not for what I had in mind.

iPad, MBP 2.5Ghz, PB G4 12" 1.5Ghz, iMaciSight2Ghz, Mac OS X (10.5.6), 2G RAM

Posted on Apr 3, 2010 12:38 PM

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Apr 4, 2010 5:41 AM in response to patigoon

patigoon wrote:
once there I could edit them, but could not then get them back to my laptop (Pages/Keynote docs do not seem to appear in the iTunes File Sharing pane at the bottom of the Apps tab for the iPad). Any ideas about that? Until I can move the files back to my computer I can't tell whether or not they are stable.



Patigoon,

Best that I can tell, emailing the files (or using mobile me) may be your best option. Emailing seems really klutzy in this day and age.

I am so used to easy syncing of files across all the computers that I use (using FireWire or USB or MobileMe) that these hassles with syncing the iWork files with the iPad feel like a giant step backwards.

I sincerely hope that things will improve soon and drastically in regard to iPad and iWork.

Apr 4, 2010 6:02 AM in response to patigoon

Thanks for the clarification patigoon.

I have been told that ReaddleDocs and perhaps Documents to Go could handle my transfer issues but that does nothing, of course, to address how iPad Pages strips so much out of a scholarly 2007 Word file. In the meantime, Mobile Me's iDisk does not transfer for me because I cannot find a way to move it from the viewer on the iPad to Pages.

Message was edited by: xenolalia

Apr 4, 2010 6:13 AM in response to xenolalia

On file transfer, a victory; confirmation on iPad Pages wreaking havoc on content, confirmation. Pages documents may be moved from iPad to Mac via the Export option (bottom left icon of the three in My Documents view on iPad). Choose Pages format, and it appears when you sync in the iTunes App tab (down below the list of Apps), but it cannot be opened by the Mac. If sent as a Word file, it will open, and looks pretty good. But the iPad is a footnote etc. killer - images travelled back and forth, but not footnotes. So it's really only good for memos and presentation notes, and that's a real pity.

Apr 4, 2010 7:15 AM in response to ns

This kind of lost functionality isn't too surprising to me, I dealt with it all the time with my Palm using a variety of Office-like programs. I even dealt with the problem for a while with my first couple notebook computers using programs like WordPerfect on my desktop and a WordPerfect lite on my notebook when notebook computers were very underpowered compared to desktops.

I've developed a work flow over the years where I start developing the document on my portable device and flesh it out on my desktop and I even kept this up for quite a while even after notebooks caught up with their desktop cousins. This is how I'll continue to work with my iPad.

Apr 4, 2010 7:35 AM in response to xenolalia

I would recommend that you go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/ and report the printing functionality and wireless projection as something you would like to see in the future. I would assume that a 3rd party may make a wireless presentation adapter in the near future. As to the grouping and footnotes in Pages and Keynote, it is a bug. It's not intended to do that and will be fixed in the near future as well. In order to let Apple's team know that there are many people experiencing the same issue, go to the same feedback site and report it as a bug.

Apr 4, 2010 7:39 AM in response to xenolalia

Well...I wouldn't expect the iPad to work with Windows software (Word, PP etc.) but it should at least work with Pages, Keynote etc. Mac software should be compatible across all Apple platforms. Come on! If it isn't what's the point of even having the iWork software on the iPad in the first place? If they can't make the software compatible between notebooks/desktops and the iPad then I think that the software release on iPad is premature.

Apr 4, 2010 7:47 AM in response to maclover009

maclover009 wrote:
*As to the grouping and footnotes in Pages and Keynote, it is a bug. It's not intended to do that* and will be fixed in the near future as well. In order to let Apple's team know that there are many people experiencing the same issue, go to the same feedback site and report it as a bug.



With all due respect, *this is not a "bug"* but something that is acknowledged by Apple in its FAQ section. If you read the rest of the posts in this thread you will find an explicit discussion of and a link to that FAQ.

I think we should be careful about spreading misinformation, intentionally or otherwise. People are spending hard-earned money on this device. While we all love Apple products (and I will continue to do so), we also like making rational and informed decisions.

As for your suggestions for providing feedback, many of us have already done so via numerous media, here and elsewhere.

Apr 4, 2010 10:56 AM in response to ns

NS and Patigoon:

I fully agree that my anticipated use for the iPad was to be able to do Keynote without carrying my MacBook, and it is a disappointment that the transfer won't retain my preferred fonts , grouped objects and transitions--the stuff that makes Keynote so much better that PowerPoint. That said, it is amazing to me that Apple got so many features crammed into an app that costs under 10$, and that it comes close to letting me present a good bit of the talk I really wanted to give. Let's hope the missing features will come with updates--look how long it took to get copy and paste on the iPhone!

Apr 4, 2010 11:07 AM in response to ns

I have to add my voice to the really disappointed. I am a looooong time Apple/Mac user, going all the way back to the Apple IIe. I've probably owned about 15 different models over the years. I leaped right on the iPad, mainly because I expected I would be able to do Keynote presentations without a laptop. The lack of presenter notes is a real deal-breaker for me. I imported a Keynote presentation from my iMac and it mostly came through okay but clearly without the presenter notes which I really need AND also without the embedded movie clips! What's up with that? I tried bringing in a .mov file through iTunes to add to a slide within Keynote on the iPad but it didn't show up. I am so disappointed about this that I'm not sure whether I'll keep the iPad or not. And, I should add that I'm also a professor who needs presentation capabilities for classes and also for conferences. I was hoping to wow the crowd at a conference in Prague with my iPad presentation.

Apr 5, 2010 9:44 AM in response to ns

I returned my iPad this morning. Sigh.

It is a genuinely great bit of technology, but it wasn't for what I had in mind. I can understand that, but I still wish Apple had been a bit more forthcoming about the relative shortcomings of the iPad's iWork suite.

Apr 5, 2010 1:34 PM in response to ns

NS-- Sorry to hear that. I have almost found a solution to the Keynote presentations problems but not quite fully. I took my final Keynote presentation and exported it to a Quicktime movie. When I play that movie on my Mac or LapTop, it retains all the fonts, builds, smart builds and transitions, and I can control the pacing by starting or stopping the movie with the space bar. Unfortunately when I add that Movie to the iTunes Library and Sync it into the iPad, even though the file size remains the same (45 MB), the whole movie runs in less than a minute and a half and I have no control over it. Maybe some one has a bright idea on how to retain the Quicktime movie properties and control on the iPad.

Apr 5, 2010 9:36 PM in response to Floyd Bloom

I also intended to use my iPad for Keynote Presentations but am frustrated on not being able to easily reduce font size and the loss of progressive paragraph builds. As for your exporting to a movie, you export it as an interactive Quicktime Movie then on a Mac or PC anytime you click your mouse it advances the movie to the next pause doing any of the animations or builds in between. I've been using this feature of Keynote export for years so I can send presentations around the world and any computer can play it as long as they've downloaded the Quicktime Player.

Somewhat disappointed with Pages and KeyNote - any suggestions/workarounds?

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