Screen flickers at low brightness

My screen just started flickering while reading a book. I have brightness set to about 20%, which is optimal while reading in bed at night.

The flickering is random but persistent. It gets worse when something is moving on screen (like a page wipe). I also noticed on Safari while a page was blank during loading.

I can't use the iBooks reader at night any more because the flickering is too distracting, so I'm going to return the iPad.

Anybody else have this problem?

MacBook 2 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 2 GB RAM

Posted on Apr 13, 2010 7:43 AM

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Posted on Apr 23, 2010 7:21 PM

There's nothing wrong with your iPads, almost [anything|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Moniwv8ewU] with an LED backlight display will show it at low brightness.

LEDs don't actually dim like old CCFLs, they flicker at specific frequencies to appear as though they are dim. Some people are more sensitive to this than others. I see it on my LED backlit MBP and on my wife's iPad (each at low brightness). The only real workaround is to turn your brightness up a tad.

Here's the best description I've found...

+The average brightness of the LED would also be the same if measured electronically. The difference is in the brightness perceived. The human eye has a certain amount of persistence. If exposed to a bright light the eye will "remember" the light for a short period of time. This allows us to view a motion picture or TV screen as a steady image when in fact it is flickering at 24 to 30 times a second. When the LED is flashed on brightly for a short time and then turned off the eye "remembers" the light at the high brightness level. The result is that the perceived brightness of the back light is closer to the high pulsed brightness than to the lower average dc brightness.+

Source :: http://www.tstonramp.com/~pddwebacc/lcd_backlights.htm

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Apr 23, 2010 7:21 PM in response to MeniThings

There's nothing wrong with your iPads, almost [anything|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Moniwv8ewU] with an LED backlight display will show it at low brightness.

LEDs don't actually dim like old CCFLs, they flicker at specific frequencies to appear as though they are dim. Some people are more sensitive to this than others. I see it on my LED backlit MBP and on my wife's iPad (each at low brightness). The only real workaround is to turn your brightness up a tad.

Here's the best description I've found...

+The average brightness of the LED would also be the same if measured electronically. The difference is in the brightness perceived. The human eye has a certain amount of persistence. If exposed to a bright light the eye will "remember" the light for a short period of time. This allows us to view a motion picture or TV screen as a steady image when in fact it is flickering at 24 to 30 times a second. When the LED is flashed on brightly for a short time and then turned off the eye "remembers" the light at the high brightness level. The result is that the perceived brightness of the back light is closer to the high pulsed brightness than to the lower average dc brightness.+

Source :: http://www.tstonramp.com/~pddwebacc/lcd_backlights.htm

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May 9, 2010 9:10 PM in response to MeniThings

I'm also experiencing this issue. And after doing some tests I have discovered how to reproduce this.

1. Auto-Brightness must be On
2. Brightness must be ajusted to low. Something about 20% to 30%
3. iPad must be on batteries. No power cord plugged.
4. You must be in a dark room.
5. You must be viewing a almost white screen (any bright screen). A white/light web page like this one should work.

It seams that the flicking happens in 2 situations:
1. Any part of the screen has been updated. An animeted gif, the tap of a keyboard letter, or even the loading bar of a loading web page.
2. The light on the room have changed a little bit. A TV, for exemple.

Notice that I cound not reproduce the problem all the times I tried. So there is probably another variable that I could not figure out. Maybe I wasn't watching an action movie. 🙂

What I have noticed is that if the room light stay exactly the same, iPad take a fraction of a second ajusting the auto brightiness, flicking during this small period of time and then stopped, as it was finaly found the rigth brigthness for the ambient.

I was reading a white web page in my bed, dark room, without a shirt and even the reflection of the screen in my chest seams to cause this auto-brightness/flicking problem.

Since this do not happens with the power cord plugged, I don't believe that this can be a phisical problem with auto-brigthness sensor.

I think that the auto-brightness piece of software are doing ambient light ajustment so fast that it start to do this flicker until it finaly foung the right brigtness, and if the ambient light keep changing (TV light) the software will keep trying to ajust the brigthness, causing the flicker. And in some way the change in the screen (animated gif) is also causing auto-brightness act and ajust.

So, probably, this issue could be fixed with a OS software update.

Hope this could help.

Fabio
An iPad fan from Brazil.

Jul 30, 2010 3:58 PM in response to MeniThings

As someone stated above, it does have some relation to process load, so try to just turn it off by holding the lock button until the shut down message appears, and then turn it on again. This will kill any 'unwanted' process that may be loading your CPU, taxing it so producing the interference.

It worked for me, I was noticing flickering at the lowest bright setting with auto brightness on and, after 'reboot' it just went away.

Oct 5, 2010 3:36 AM in response to MeniThings

My screen flickers too.

My take is that WiFi packet exchange is causing either interference with brightness circuitry or puts additional load on the battery which causes it to momentarily drop output voltage which results in flicker.

Depending on the WiFi output power it may be more noticeable or less noticeable. The thing is that LED brightness output is non-linear at low voltages and this causes the flicker to be more noticeable at low screen brightess.

So my advice would be to either turn off WiFi when reading a book in low brightness (which will save your battery even more) or move closer to your WiFi router to get a better signal and make iPad transceiver use less power output.

Apr 24, 2010 9:02 AM in response to x0SiN0x

x0SiN0x wrote:
I'd ask then why not all ipads display this same behavior and how come after a reset things seem to be better (time will tell)


It has to do with the refresh rate of the LEDs, what frequency they are set to, and how much power drain there is. If you happen to be doing something CPU intensive, you are causing a large enough power draw that it might affect the timing of the LED flicker. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. Since it is software/firmware related it may not be fixed in the future but I doubt it...

I'll give you an example... When I got my 15" MBP, I noticed it had the backlight flicker/flutter on low brightness almost immediately. However, if I put it on High Performance (using the discrete 9600GT GPU), no flicker at any brightness level b/c of the lack of power management. Coincidentally, my logic board was replaced for an unrelated issue (headphone jack stuck on) and the replacement had no effect on the flickering/fluttering backlight.

I brought it to the Genius Bar, they noticed it, and said to turn the brightness up...it's nothing they haven't seen before and is very common. I contacted AppleCare about it, an inquiry was sent to their engineering department on behalf of their Product Specialist that I spoke to... the guy called me two days later and told me exactly what Apple Engineering had told him--exactly what the genius bar had told me--it's normal on low brightness, especially with the 9400M integrated chip (ie. battery saver mode)

The iPad is no different...it uses LED backlights just like the Macbooks and Macbook Pros. My wife's iPad, bought less than a week after release, will show a slight flicker/flutter in the backlight on low brightness if I'm pulling up web pages or doing something CPU intensive on a solid white page.

Windows users complain about the same thing on LED backlights... check out this post on another thread, there are links to it.

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11380062#11380062

Jun 7, 2010 12:29 PM in response to MeniThings

My iPad has just started exhibiting this behaviour. Previously it has been frequently crashing out to the apple logo. I have restored it to factory firmware and all has been good for a couple days but today it has been crashing out again and the screen started to flicker.

Interestingly enough I have discovered that the cloth I use to clean the screen was causing a static buildup and making a crackling sound when I used it. I have since discontinued the use of the offending cloth and the screen has not flickered since, although its only been about 30 minutes so I'm still unsure if there will be a trip to the apple store in my immediate future.

FYI - I was also using the official apple case. Not sure if this has caused some problems with not allowing the static electricity to earth, but my girlfriend also has the same case on her iPad and has had no problems at all?

Feb 1, 2011 8:17 PM in response to MeniThings

I too have this problem but have found a quick and effective solution it does require you to turn your auto brightness off for good I hope.... Anyway you must turn your brightness to 35% up to 45% and while typing this iv noticed that after you shut off auto brightness and move the brightness bar via double tap you can dim the screen even more now, there is no flicker for me that is. I felt like returning this but if you look up LCD problems via flickering you get many other laptops and LCD backlit items doing the same thing. Tvs, computers, ereaders and more. Hope this helps, this also got rid of the blurred text I got when I surfed the Internet. <--- if this is a new problem then here is a answer I guess.

Apr 23, 2010 5:39 PM in response to x0SiN0x

After bringing mine back into Best Buy I was sent to their "genius" who indicated this was perfectly normal. After I checked a few of the store display models and not seeing the issue I presented these new findings to them. They then proceeded to perform a reset which seems to have at least stopped it from flickering but not counting on this fix lasting long.

In the end bestbuy wouldn't even return the unit and requested I come back if any further issues.

May 1, 2010 8:03 AM in response to MeniThings

I went to the Genius Bar and explained the problem. Unfortunatly he wouldn't replace it without a $300+ charge because there was a dent on the back (just below the top lip) which he said made it out of warranty. I couldn't remember dropping it and didn't notice the dent till that point, but accepted the situation, thanked him and left. A report was made that my device was user-damaged, presumably so couldn't just try my luck with another Genius.

Anyway this flickering problem happened right when I got the device. Whenever I supposedly damaged my iPad, it couldn't possibly have happened within the first hour or two after picking it up.

I know the flickering wasn't caused by me but I can't do anything about it. But for all of you who are experience flickering, I strongly suggest you go to a Genius Bar for a replacement.

In the meantime I'm coping with the issue of the flickering low britness screen while reading at night by putting the brightness setting not too low, removing my iPad case, and taking off the Auto Brightness.

Apr 23, 2010 2:02 PM in response to MeniThings

I noticed the same exact issue today on my 32GB wifi model. at about half power (brightness) things seem to be ok. But anything lower then this and I get a flickr and gets worse the lower I go.

Compared mine to an associates here at work and his dont have the issue at all (64GB model but dont think anythings different between the two?).

not happy with this

Apr 23, 2010 9:31 PM in response to Oso Grande

This is not at all what I'm experiencing. Your post describes basic persistence of vision human eyes can achieve that smooth out flickering light sources (film, TV and yes LCD/LED screens).

Those sources have a constant, regular flicker, but the iPad flicker comes and goes, and is often triggered by events that are graphics or CPU-intensive. For example a blank Safari page starts to flicker ONLY when a page is loading.

When reading a book last night at low brightness, the page started to flicker 2 hours after usage. Before that it was rock solid. This is not normal behavior or connected to 'persistent of vision'.

It became absolutely unbearable to read with the flicker. The whole point of lowering the brightness is to reduce the glare (and therefore eye fatigue) when reading a book at night with the lights low. It best emulated a Kindle's screen.

The flickering is a flaw, and I'll be going to the Genius bar in hopes of a remedy. I love the iPad, but the flickering makes the device useless as an e-reader, and therefore not worth it for me.

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