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  • Exandas Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the explanations. It seems you have made your research!

    I tested a friend's Galaxy SII for a couple of days and although the first hours of use I did not experience any symptoms later on I felt a strong headache and dizziness. I thought the super amoled screen will do for me, but it didn't.


    On the other hand I used a sony netbook with a led backlit screen for many working days, and although I felt a little eye strain it did not cause me headache or dizziness.

    Furthermore I have never experienced any headache from cell phone radiation for the last 10 years I use cell phones. I have also visited a doctor and all tests showed there is nothing wrong with me. So I am a bit confused as to what causes this problem. As soon as I stop the use of the touch screen phone, everything is fine.


    The use of iPhone or similar (in terms of screen size) is somehow useful to me because I receive on a daily basis company reports to which I need to respond while I am on the move. At the moment I use my blackberry, but the screen is small and it is not comfortable to work with. Yet I get no headaches, so I will probably continue to work like this untill a touch screen phone comes up that does not cause me these symptoms.


    Thanks again for the comments.

  • drbaltar Level 1 (0 points)
    In Sweden, electrohypersensitivity
 (EHS)* is an officially fully recognized functional impairment (i.e., it is not regarded as a disease, thus no diagnosis* exists; N.B. This is not special for Sweden, the terms "functional impairment" and "disease" are defined according to various international documents (see below)). Thus, the first step for a person in Sweden with a functional impairment is to contact the municipality’s special civil servant for disability issues, as well as the various handicap organizations and authorities, to achieve accessability measures of various types with the sole aim to have an equal life in a society based on equality (according to the The UN 22 Standard Rules on the Equalization of Opportunities for People with Disabilities - since 2007 upgraded into The UN Convention on Human Rights for Persons with Functional Impairments,


    [*It’s symptoms are classified as an occupationally-related symptom-based diagnosis (code ICD-10) by the Nordic Council of Ministers since 2000. DIVS: 2000:839; ISBN: 92-893-0559-2]


    Persons with the functional impairment electrohypersensitivity have their own handicap organization, The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive (; the website has an English version). This organization is included in The Swedish Disability Federation (Handikappförbundens SamarbetsOrgan; HSO;; the site has an English short version). As a consequence of this, The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive receives an annual governmental subsidy.


    In Sweden, impairments are viewed from the point of the environment. No human being is in itself impaired, there are instead shortcomings in the environment that cause the impairment. Thus, it is the environment that should be “treated”! This environment-related impairment view means that even though one does not have a scientifically-based complete explanation for the impairment electrohypersensitivity, and in contrast to disagreements in the scientific society, the person with electrohypersensitivity shall always be met in a respectful way and with all necessary support with the single goal to eliminate the impairment.


    An impairment is - by definition - not defined by someone else or proven by certain tests, etc. The impairment is always personal (private) and develops when in contact with an inferior environment.


    [N.B. Remember that functional impairments are only based upon each individual’s impaired accessability to - and contact with - an inferior environment (cf. the UN), thus, there is actually no need for any “recognition” in local laws (cf. the UN). In Sweden, the former Minister of Health and Social Affairs, Lars Engqvist - as a member of the previous government - anyhow gave his “approval” in a letter dated May, 2000 [Regeringskansliet 2000-04-06, Dnr S2000/2158/ST]. He also made it clear in his response that for EHS persons there are no restrictions or exceptions in the handicap laws and regulations. Thus, these laws and regulations are to be fully applied also for EHS persons.]
  • drbaltar Level 1 (0 points)
    Treating members of the community equally is not something that should be done as a favour; nor is it something that any parliament or government should politely request other inhabitants to provide others with. Equality is not something to be done “out of the goodness of one’s heart”. It is something one does because it is expected of every citizen, because inaccessibility and discrimination are prohibited by law. Thus, it is not alright to deliberately make your symptoms worse. This implies that the person with electrohypersensitivity should have the opportunity to live and work in an electrosanitised environment. To force a person to quit one's employment or to move from one's home is a serious legal violation.


    The electrically hypersensitive must therefore, in every situation and by all available means, demand respect¸ representation and power. They shall very clearly reject all approaches which reflect 
a mentality of “feeling pity for them” or “caring for them”. Inaccessibility is not a personal problem. It is a problem for society. Inaccessibility is not about attitudes. It is about discrimination. And discriminatory actions and conduct shall not be dealt with 
by well-meaning talk about treatment. Discrimination is already illegal!


    This view can fully be motivated in relation to national and
international handicap laws and regulations, including the UN 22
Standard Rules/UN Convention and the Swedish Action Plan for 
Persons with Impairments (prop. 1999/2000:79 “Den nationella 
handlingplanen för handikappolitiken – Från patient till medborgare”; Proposition 1999/2000:79, 1999/2000:SoU14). Also, the Human Rights Act in the EU fully applies.


    I say, there must be an end to nonchalance, lack of consideration, indifference and lack of respect on the part of society. Never accept discriminatory treatment or an insulting special treatment. Stand up for other’s rights and in this way you’ll stand up for your own future!


    I would like to quote the very wise words of Jan Åberg, a freelance writer in Trollhättan, Sweden, “Everything that happens to us human beings only happens as long as we accept it”. For how long will your authorities and their civil servants accept it? Would they demand the same type of proofs if it was about themselves, their children, mother, father…?


    Finally, remember we all must adhere to and follow all the handicap laws and regulations. To do the opposite is a serious violation and should immediately be reported/filed as an official legal complaint to your local authorities, parliament, government, the EU and the UN. This is of particular importance since Katri Linna, the former Swedish Diskrimineringsombudsman (=the Equality Ombudsman), clearly states in the newspaper Sydsvenskan (January 23-26, 2009; that “electrohypersensitivity is – according to the law – a functional impairment and I recommend EHS persons that are discriminated to file a complaint”.


    In addition, please, also note the following governmental documents (in Swedish).


    The Swedish Association for the Electrohypersensitive gets a governmental subsidy as a handicap organization according to SFS 2000:7 §2 (SFS = The Swedish Governmental Statute-Book) [Regeringsbeslut 950621 nr. 8, Dnr: S1995/2965].


    EHS persons’ right to get disablement allowances has been settled in the The Swedish Supreme Administrative Court, i.a. in the judgement 
”dom 2003-01-29, mål nr. 6684-2001″.


    Here are, in addition, two cases when two people with EHS - through the
conclusions in courts - getting the right to support (from the state).


    “Kammarrättens i Jönköping dom 2002-05-15 i mål nr 2644-2001 ang bilstöd till Maria G., född 1966, bl.a. elöverkänslighet.”


    “Kammarrättens i Göteborg dom 2007-07-11 i mål nr 1229-07 ang. bilstöd för SP, född år 1953. (Länsrätten i Göteborgs dom 2007-01-18
i mål nr 1582-06).”



    Kindly translated from Swedish by Olle Johansson


    (Olle Johansson, assoc. prof.
    The Experimental Dermatology Unit
    Department of Neuroscience
    Karolinska Institute
    171 77 Stockholm




    The Royal Institute of Technology
    100 44 Stockholm
  • Wibin Level 1 (0 points)

    That's certainly a mouthful. Before anyone gets carried away, let's put a few things straight.


    If you never have problems when talking on a phone/smartphone against your ear, or when walking past trasmitters etc. but get headaches when reading from your ipad, you don't have EHS.


    I know about the cases - or one prominent case in particular. I've studied myself at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH). It's a **** shame you can't live in the city nor anywhere near cities or phone masts etc. because of the effects. The effects appear to get worse with more (heavy) exposure, as with the case of a Swedish mobile techonology engineer. In practice you have to move outside of the city with no mobile connectivity, nor electrical devices which emit electrical radiation.


    A phone mast was installed in Britain. Suddenly many people were feeling ill and they felt that it was causing problems such as headaches etc. A study was made where the phone mast was turned on and off for periods of weeks, measurements were done and a questioneer was put out. People were suffering equally with or without the mast being on. It had NO correlation with exposure to radiowaves. The only cause that was left ater ruling others out was psychosomatics.


    If your problems are limited to an ipad and few odd models, you don't have EHS.


    If you claim you have EHS and think this is the cause, then think carefully - because it impacts your life and cause a lot of unneeded stress that may very well be the cause of your ailments. It doesn't, however, mean that any radiation would be the actual cause. If you go posting something like this without reading the symptoms or problem descriptions accurately, with the thought of converting people to the belief that everyone has EHS, and taking no sort of responsibly of what you are saying.. DON'T do it. Self-education is a dangerous thing if you get to choose your sources yourself without objectivity - it only amounts to scaremongering.


    Thinking you have/get EHS from an ipad while never having the symptoms before or never having the symptoms of EHS when discontinuing the use of your ipad despite all the emissions around our habitat, you are basically showing disrispect to those who are actually suffering from EHS, always, constantly, no matter how they try to avoid it, and finally resort into moving away from civilisation.


    Not of course saying that there couldn't be some on this forum actually suffering from EHS. This, however, is highly unlikely.



  • drbaltar Level 1 (0 points)

    Dear Wibin


    Unfortunately i came down with EHS in 2008, not something i enjoy having.

    260.000 citizens in Sweden have ES thats 6% of the population.

  • Wibin Level 1 (0 points)

    Sorry to hear that.


    It's not fun regardless of what causes it. it's just really important to pinpoint the cause, so that you can do your best to rectify the situation.


    I get dizzy and feel sleepy in certain lighting due to the flicker of lights. Like the classrooms I used to sit in. Not fun. When they turn off the lights and turn on the projector I feel instantly better whilst most of the others begin to doze off in the darkness. Maybe these also contribute to ADD/ADHD, which in my case is very bad. But at least that can largely be fixed with pills.


    The reaction to all manner of external stimuli is very individual.

  • bondibase Level 1 (0 points)

    Some of you getting dizziness from looking at computer/ iPad screens may have migraine associated vertigo or MAV. I have this problem and have found that sometimes I can habituate to a new screen over a period of 2-3 weeks or, if the impact is really strong, have to give up completely. I was not able to use the MacBook Air but did adapt to the iPad 2. Not good on the 3rd gen iPad so far. Instant dizziness.


    The problem lies in the visual impact on the brain. Obviously the new iPad is brighter and sharper and that coupled with an LED backlit screen will trigger this in susceptible people. There's a discussion on it here as well:


  • Howgoit Level 1 (0 points)

    I know what you mean. I have the new iPad am doing better now Thank God. I found out it is harder for the brain to detect the extra pixels. Also I have an inner ear problem with having to wear tubes in my ear drum. So when my Equilibrium is off due to my ear problems it makes it worse. The dizziness and headaches.

  • bondibase Level 1 (0 points)

    How long did it take you to get used to the new one? Did you use it for just short periods at first? I tried putting a matte screen over it to reduce the impact but it looked worse and was annoying so I peeled it off.

  • Howgoit Level 1 (0 points)

    well i was disapointed at first because i got Nausea and dizzy. So i Let that feeling go away and i came back to the ipad just to look at my email for 5 to 10 minutes and put it down after that and rest my eyes. Now my eyes have gotten use to it and I can use it for about an hour now and put it down and I am doing better with it. I Love my new iPad and its far superior then my old galaxy tablet from Samsung and my nook tablet that i sold. i guess i am a apple fan for life. But a person has to be real careful with getting use to the screen. And if they can't get use to it they should be able to return it as it can be a medical condition. And your health is important more important then having the iPad.

  • bondibase Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks HGI. I'm going to do exactly as you did and use it for 10 min then take long breaks until my eyes and brain adjust. The screen really does look phenomenal. This has to work.

  • MrAnythingAboutApple Level 1 (50 points)

    NO! YOU ARE NOT ALONE! When I play a very fast game, like Jetpack Joyride, I get dizzy really fast! . Join the club!

  • Wil1974 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've been using the old ipad 2 without any problem. LOVED IT.

    But I am experiencing the instant dizziness and naseaus with the NEW ipad3 as well.

    So far, I tried calling apple support once and the tech guys told me it's out of their domain and transfer me to the sales support.


    Was put on hold forever at sales support and I gave up.


    I was thinking of exchanging the new ipad 3 for an old ipad2. I want the 3G connection as my current ipad2 is wifi only.


    Anyone know who we can talk to regarding this ? I can't find any email contact for apple.

  • Exandas Level 1 (0 points)

    Did you condition yourself with the Note, i.e. did you use it for a few minutes the first days and then add a few mins of use every day?

    I used the Galaxy SII that has an AMOLED screen and i felt the same symptoms as with the iphone, but at a lower intensity. Is there an explanation for this? I usually use the phone for many hours during the day for email reading and i wonder if this is the reason Galaxy caused me a headache. I read in the forum of people starting with few minutes of use at first and increasing the time as the eyes adjust. Did you do the same?

    I never had any problem with speaking on a cell phone so i assume i am not feeling nausea and headaches due to radiation.



  • frankie1122 Level 1 (5 points)

    Just curious, to those who have electrohypersensitivity (EHS), do you feel sick whenever you are in a Starbucks, Airport, Convention Centers, city downtowns, malls, etc?


    Any particular wavelength of electromagnetic waves that are especially problematic? Cell phones wavelengths? wifi? microwave? FM radio? and I really hope not AM radio?


    Edit: With such a condition? Shouldn't you be staying away from wireless devices such as ipads and cell phones? and computer screens? pretty sure the monitors emit a hefty amount of electromagnetic radiation :-)

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