12 Replies Latest reply: Apr 26, 2010 7:42 AM by Walt K
mmrudy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
The "document button" in the inspector sets the margins for all the pages in a document. I'd like to be able to set the margins for one page to be smaller than the margins for other pages in the document.
The layout button doesn't appear to allow a column wider than 7" and adding layout margins makes the available space even smaller. Metrics will reduce the margins a trifle.
Currently, I handle this by creating two documents.
However, what I need are zero margins for one page in a document of 6-7 pages that have normal margins. What have I missed?

iMac, ipod Touch, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,945 points)
    m,

    What you need to do then is set the Document Margins to zero, and do all your margin settings with the Layout Inspector, Layout Tab. Insert > Layout Break wherever you want to make a change, of course.

    Jerry
  • mmrudy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thank you. I was afraid someone would suggest that!
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,945 points)
    What answer were you hoping to get?

    Jerry
  • mmrudy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Although I use them, I've found that layout breaks (column breaks, section breaks) seem to cause the content to rearrange or disappear. Practice makes perfect, so I'll give your suggestion a try.
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,945 points)
    Layout Breaks should have no such consequences.

    Jerry
  • Walt K Level 4 Level 4 (2,905 points)
    Show Invisibles (View menu) and see if a Return or other command is affecting your layout. Also, if you have an object with Wrap turned on (Wrap Inspector) that could cause unwanted actions. Both of these suggestions are guesses because you don’t give us much information.

    Walt
  • mmrudy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thanks for the ideas. Invisibles are turned on. Wouldn't be without them. I'm not using the wrap option. I use section breaks.

    I edit a newsletter that consists of: page 1 single column with graphic headings, text, and a picture. Pages 2-5 are double columns including text and pictures, page 6 is a single column, usually text, with return address, page 7 is the inventory sheet. The inventory sheet is a graphic, it was scanned into iPhoto and eventually saved as a document. It needs no margins. In fact, adding margins seriously reduces space for listing inventory. Pages 1-6 need margins as they contain text and pictures.

    I removed the document margins from the document. Inserted a layout break at the top of page 1 (single column) and adjusted margins to those desired, a one line paragraph vanished. Inserted a layout break at the top of page 2 (double columns), adjusted margins to those desired. On pages 2-5 about a half inch of text is grayed out at the top and bottom of each page. Considerable white space has appeared. Stories that fit exactly onto the page now run over to the next page. Text describing the pictures has moved. Added the layout break at the top of Page 6, a single column that contains a graphic, some centered text, and the return address. It needed a little fixing, probably because of the centered text, but otherwise looks good.

    I hoped that there would be a way to adjust the inventory page margins, rather than adjust the newsletter margins. Likely, dividing the newsletter into two documents is the way to go. This is an email newsletter sent as a pdf, so I'll send two pdfs rather than one.
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (33,560 points)
    mmrudy wrote:
    Thanks for the ideas. Invisibles are turned on. Wouldn't be without them. I'm not using the wrap option. I use section breaks.


    Wrap is used on floating objects to repell text around their edges.

    I edit a newsletter that consists of: page 1 single column with graphic headings, text, and a picture. Pages 2-5 are double columns including text and pictures, page 6 is a single column, usually text, with return address, page 7 is the inventory sheet. The inventory sheet is a graphic, it was scanned into iPhoto and eventually saved as a document. It needs no margins. In fact, adding margins seriously reduces space for listing inventory. Pages 1-6 need margins as they contain text and pictures.


    Create pages with these layouts and "Capture" them as sections:

    +Menu > Format > Advanced > Capture Pages…+ and save as a template.

    These Sections will appear under the Sections icon on the Toolbar.

    To learn more:

    http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=182&mforum=iworktips ntrick

    I removed the document margins from the document. Inserted a layout break at the top of page 1 (single column) and adjusted margins to those desired, a one line paragraph vanished. Inserted a layout break at the top of page 2 (double columns), adjusted margins to those desired. On pages 2-5 about a half inch of text is grayed out at the top and bottom of each page. Considerable white space has appeared. Stories that fit exactly onto the page now run over to the next page. Text describing the pictures has moved. Added the layout break at the top of Page 6, a single column that contains a graphic, some centered text, and the return address. It needed a little fixing, probably because of the centered text, but otherwise looks good.

    I hoped that there would be a way to adjust the inventory page margins, rather than adjust the newsletter margins. Likely, dividing the newsletter into two documents is the way to go. This is an email newsletter sent as a pdf, so I'll send two pdfs rather than one.


    If you use Layout breaks with Invisibles turned on you should be able to locate the problem areas.

    Things do interact particularly Text Wrap from objects and settings in paragraphs which keep lines together. The later can particularly cause odd breaks due to the algorithm trying to keep a minimum number of lines at the end of a page, beginning of a page or associated with a heading.

    If you have too much trouble turn the keep text together off and edit it manually.

    If pages are filled with tables or images, use floating tables, shapes and text boxes which can be positioned anywhere. Pay attention to text wrap with these objects as they push things around and possibly over or off the page.

    Peter
  • Walt K Level 4 Level 4 (2,905 points)
    There are those who will disagree with me, but personally, I would use Layout mode. (You don’t say whether you’re using layout or word processing.) I do all my newsletters in Layout and it has been much simpler than in word processing. If you want some pages with no margins, in Page Set up select Borderless. (There will be a slight expansion of every page, so allow for that.) With Layout showing and rulers both top and side, click in a ruler and drag in non-printing guide lines for each page. Set them for each page as needed. When everything is set, save as a template.

    Use text boxes and floating graphics and images. You can set the number of columns in a text box just as in the text layer in WP mode. To continue to the next page (or even several pages later) click the little blue box near the bottom on the right and then click on the page you want to continue to.

    Each page will be a section so you can easily rearrange the page sequence if needed.

    Let me know if I’ve missed anything you might need.

    Walt
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,945 points)
    Walt,

    I would agree with you.

    Jerry
  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,790 points)
    It's easy to do the same in Word Processor documents and we have many features available which aren't in Layout ones.


    I set document margins as well as header/footer to none
    I insert section breaks and so, I'm able to define the margins as I want.
    Doing that, I may have

    table of contents
    internal links
    and lots of details which are unavailable in Page Layout.
    I may use text boxes if I want and use the main text layout only for items which must be in the TOC.

    Doing that I may build everything which may be achieved in Page Layout plus additional features.

    But maybe I missed something.

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) Monday, April 26, 2010 14:28:29
  • Walt K Level 4 Level 4 (2,905 points)
    To each his own. I use both modes, depending on content. For my newsletters, Layout suits me better. In these, I don't need the missing features. And I want each page a section without having to worry with section breaks and how they get shifted around with other control characters. In short, Layout is more convenient. Were I doing a book, I would use WP. So I apply the universal answer to almost all questions: "It depends."

    Walt