Canon HV40 24F

Hi -
I think the reason you received no replies is that what you are asking is a very complicated question, the "correct" answer to which is entirely up to you, the "look" you want to give your video, and the workflow you want to use.

The Canon manual states:
!http://www.spotsbeforeyoureyes.com/HV4024FPS.jpg!
which means that you have the option of shooting in native 24fps, as opposed to 24 progressive with pulldown added to make it 1080i60.
If you make that choice, you will need to edit with a timebase of 24fps to stay native.
That will also impact you in several ways, including how the footage displays when you change the speed of it: slow-motion, or sped-up motion- for example.
Is it "better"? Your call. Shoot a short bit in both formats, do a test edit and decide what you like.

Regarding posting to You Tube, You Tube says this for ideal formats:
!http://www.spotsbeforeyoureyes.com/YouTubeBestFormats.jpg!
You can see they like 30fps. But, *H.264 and MPEG are some of the worst formats to edit in* - so you will want to edit your video using an edit friendly(ier) codec such as Pro Res, or HDV. Then do the conversion via Compressor into a format You Tube likes for upload to their website.

+If it were me doing this+, I would go for the easiest workflow possible, and rely on my content to make the movie compelling as opposed to the frame rate. I have an HV-30 and usually shoot in the standard HDV mode, and, for what it is, it looks pretty good to me.

Hope this helps.

Shoot in 24F it's always nice to be able to edit the native frame rate and in a native timeline if you can.

what is the differnece between 24 f and 24 pf i dont understand?

Hi -

dbollard wrote:
what is the differnece between 24 f and 24 pf i dont understand?

In the *24F mode* 24 unique frames are recorded per second and placed on the tape. When you play the tape back, 24 frames are played every second. Since most video does not work at this frame rate, you need to follow careful workflow procedures to successfully and efficiently work, and display your work, at this rate.

In the *24PF mode* 24 frames are captured per second by the camera but when recorded to tape they are placed with what is called "pull down" - which is a pattern of repeating individual fields of the frames so that the tape records at a standard 60i frame rate. Basically this makes the turns the 24 frames per second to 30 (actually 29.97) frames per second:
!http://www.spotsbeforeyoureyes.com/Pulldown.jpg!

This is the same thing that happens to films when they are played on broadcast television - the original 24 fps is converted to be displayed at 60i.
Because the recording is a more conventional 60i, it requires a more standard workflow for editing and display.

Hope this helps.

I just got a Canon HV40 and this thread is SUPER informative.

Not to steer it too far off course, but will FCE 4 handle my 24F the same way as FCP? Or will FCE 4 need the 24PF setting on the Canon HV40?

Thanks,
John

FCE will need 24PF mode - I've written a guide to do that here:

http://wallybarthman.wordpress.com/brians-technology-page/video-editing/24p-fce/

(And no, I get no money from you going to my website - I promise)

The Holy Grail!!!

Wow, thank you so much for doing this. As you can tell from my post count I am a newby and this is about as simple as it can get. You sir have saved me so many questions on the "how" part of FCE4.

Would you suggest to continue to cature in 24F and perform this process or simply capture in 24PF? Is there a quality loss doing the 24F method.

I figured I'd continue to capture in 24F in case I get FCP down the road.

Thanks,
John

p.s. the FREE website is appreciated 🙂

Message was edited by: darkhorse13

If I were you I'd keep using PF24 until you've got FCP. Pulldown can be added or removed fairly easily and if you use 24F you'll have to add pulldown to your files before you can edit them in FCE.

If you get FCP someday you can simply take your old files and throw them into Compressor and it'll remove the pulldown for you.