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  • Fred Turner Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
    du9207 wrote:
    I seriously hope i'm reading your post wrong but are you implying that windows server is to blame for the freezing???
    Many people here, including my self, are not connecting to windows server and their machines are freezing a lot. this has nothing to do with windows server, this is a Mac problem

    if i'm wrong about what you meant sorry, it just like your blaming windows in the quote above


    No! WindowServer is a process that the Mac OS runs which draws the user interface and receives UI input. Open your Activity Monitor (in Utilities), select All Processes, and look for "WindowServer". Basically, this process is hanging up, I'm guessing, causing the machine to appear to be frozen, but really you are basically having 2 things drop out for those 9 minutes while everything else (audio included) keeps going:

    1. redrawing of the screen (so the machine looks frozen)
    2. refusal to accept mouse** or keyboard inputs (so it REALLY seems frozen)
    ** mouse moves, but clicks, scrolls, etc, are not received

    Make sense?

    FT
  • du9207 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Fred Turner wrote:
    du9207 wrote:
    I seriously hope i'm reading your post wrong but are you implying that windows server is to blame for the freezing???
    Many people here, including my self, are not connecting to windows server and their machines are freezing a lot. this has nothing to do with windows server, this is a Mac problem

    if i'm wrong about what you meant sorry, it just like your blaming windows in the quote above


    No! WindowServer is a process that the Mac OS runs which draws the user interface and receives UI input. Open your Activity Monitor (in Utilities), select All Processes, and look for "WindowServer". Basically, this process is hanging up, I'm guessing, causing the machine to appear to be frozen, but really you are basically having 2 things drop out for those 9 minutes while everything else (audio included) keeps going:

    1. redrawing of the screen (so the machine looks frozen)
    2. refusal to accept mouse** or keyboard inputs (so it REALLY seems frozen)
    ** mouse moves, but clicks, scrolls, etc, are not received

    Make sense?

    FT



    yes makes lots of sense

    thanks for clarifying
  • GizmosTail Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    Seems to me that if WindowServer is hanging up, there should be a way to SSH into a frozen machine and see if that is in fact occuring.
  • du9207 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Harry Carlyle wrote:
    Seems to me that if WindowServer is hanging up, there should be a way to SSH into a frozen machine and see if that is in fact occuring.



    I believe some people have already tried SSH with success
  • GizmosTail Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    @ du9207, yes thanks I am aware of that having read every single post in this thread. What I am saying is that when the machine freezes, try to SSH into it and see what's going on with the 'WindowServer' process. For example, I just SSH'd into my Macbook Pro from a Linux machine and I see this as a result of 'ps aux'.

    _windowserver 59 0.5 2.5 3197056 102784 ?? Ss Fri03PM 10:14.44 /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/CoreGraphic s.framework/Resources/WindowServer -daemon

    If this service is hung I should be able to SSH the ps aux command repeatedly and not see a change in %cpu utilized. I'd assume if it were hung it would be at 100%, and that the % would fluctuate if it were not hung. I can't think of another way to verify this via SSH, but there may be. I'll think about it for awhile.

    Message was edited by: Harry Carlyle
  • Ryhzuo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I think I'm having similar problems, so I'll add my computer to the list.

    Model Name: MacBook Pro
    Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2
    Processor Name: Intel Core i5
    Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 1
    Total Number Of Cores: 2
    Memory: 4 GB

    Freezes are pretty spontaneous. They happen in both Win 7 and OS X, and generally during low load. I've had it freeze while web surfing (Safari and Chrome), watching videos, writing on pages and while on iTunes. App freezes, and a few seconds later mouse stops moving. Computer becomes unresponsive to trackpad and keyboard inputs. Leaving it for 10-15 minutes doesn't help.

    If I have iTunes or other sound playing at the time, it stutters and plays in a .5 second loop at the time of freeze, instead of continuing to play though, (some people say the sound continues to play as normal) Does that mean mine is an OS freeze while others is a GFX freeze?

    Edit: I found I can more or less reproduce the freezes, if I run iTunes playing music, Safari running Runescape on high detail, with Adium and Chrome sitting idle in the background. This combination usually results in a freeze in about 5-15 minutes.
  • fsone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hello everyone,

    so here's my story:

    Bought my first macbook pro a few weeks ago. After updating 10.6.3 the follwoing problem suddenly occoured:

    - Got serious hd-hi-peaks while using firefox, skype and sometimes itunes. Which is strange.
    - System will hang for a few seconds while recharging the battery. Same thing when battery is fully charged and power cable is connected. When working without the power cable connected - everything works fine - no system hangs.

    What i've done so far:

    - Disabled the moving sensor - problem still occours
    - Done a fresh osx install - problem still there (ok it's still 10.6.3 right)
    - Done a hardware check - no poblem found


    I believe it's some firmware hd or some moving sensor problem while reachrging the battery, because when i move the macbook slightly while the problem occours the hang will disappear.

    Anybody out there with the same problem? What do you suggest to do? Wait untill apple will bugfix this or send in the macbook?

    Message was edited by: fsone
  • csjo00 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
    Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
    Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 1
    Total Number Of Cores: 2
    Memory: 4 GB

    Running Safari, iTunes, Tweetie, and playing Runescape. All input except for mouse movement from Magic Mouse is disabled. Dock doesn't do anything. Only fix is hard restart.
  • Ryhzuo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Interesting, you're saying that input from Magic Mouse can still be received? Does that mean your screen isn't frozen? (If you look at the clock, the second still ticks)
  • csjo00 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    That is a good question. I'm sure it'll happen again (the freezing). So I'll look next time.
  • bob0322 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    ONE POSSIBLE FIX

    I have found a possible solution for some of the freezing. Prior to the fix mentioned below, I had on average one freeze per day. A week ago I turned off the Automatic Graphics Switching in the Energy Saver preferences window. I have not had one freeze since then. So for some of us (but I fear not all of us), the freeze is due to failed graphics switching.

    The good news is that this fix seems to work. I hope others will give this a try and let us know the results. The bad news is that this fix causes my computer to run hotter, although I have not measured the temperature difference yet. I will do that and report.

    Model Name: MacBook Pro
    Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2
    Processor Name: Intel Core i7
    Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 1
    Total Number Of Cores: 2
    L2 Cache (per core): 256 KB
    L3 Cache: 4 MB
    Memory: 8 GB

    APPLE SSD TS512B:
    Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
    Model: APPLE SSD TS512B
    Revision: AGAA0206
  • Moving2MBP Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Hi.

    Looking for some info on this, I am thinking of getting a stock 13" MBP 2.4ghz later this month (was going to get the 15" 2.4ghz i5, but decided that it wasn't worth the extra cost for me). I was wondering if there is anyone having this freezing issue with the 13" MBP who bought it within the last couple of weeks? This will be my first Mac and, to be honest, this freezing issue is a bit of a concern, it's a lot of cash to spend on a laptop which freezes several times a day/week, I have read that update 10.6.4 should fix it but then I read, later, that someone had installed the Beta on their freezing MBP and it was still freezing. Anyone else out there who had the freezing problem and has installed the 10.6.4 Beta, did it fix it or is it still freezing?

    Thanks
  • bitwise101 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    So, got my second Freeze here. Symptoms are the same as many others :
    • Screen Entirely frozen including the time
    • The mouse pointer, however, is the only thing that still moves
    • Comes back to life after a few Minutes (8m48s)

    More info:
    Apps open at the time of the freeze : Firefox, Stickies, Interface Builder, Cyberduck(FTP client), TextEdit, Preview, and Xcode which was at front at the time.

    System stats at the time, thanks to menumeters :
    Fans speed : 2000
    Temperature (of CPU?i guess...) : 46°C (pretty cool)
    Network activity : 0 Kb/s
    RAM used/free : 2176/1792
    CPU activity : 1% (i wasn't at my computer when the freeze started, so it was mostly idle)

    Yet more info :
    • Computer "unfroze" after 8minutes and 48 seconds, doing what i tried to do during the freeze in accelerated motion (moving windows, opening the force-quit dialog)
    • Computer was on sector, battery fully charged.
    • Computer was in "open clamshell" mode on external 20inch cinema display, and the main MBP display was shut down.
    • Computer is latest 15inch i7MBP (standard model, not custom)
    • I tried unplugging the cinema display during the crash, and replugging it, it didn't change anything.

    After the freeze, i opened a lot of different console logs to see if i could find anything, but nothing special happened around the time of the freeze.
    Will post this as a bug report too. Hoping that Apple will be able to fix that.
    I guess it's not easy to fix a freeze that happens roughly once a week.
  • CQ92651 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Moving2MBP: I bought a basic 13" MBP in May and have had two freezes that required a hard reset. I was doing nothing remarkable at the time, and it troubled me enough to search around and wind up here -- about 300 posts ago. We 13" people are in a distinct minority, which I guess is good, and it's a nifty laptop even if the battery lasts about half the 10 hours they brag about. If you can wait, however, wait until this is resolved. This sort of thing never happened to me on a long list of earlier models I owned. If you can't wait, make sure to buy AppleCare.
  • Karim Zaki Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    I agree about the graphics switching "solution". I've had gfxCardStatus installed and have been manually switching between cards when needed for 3 weeks now. No freezes since then.

    I hope that, at least for me, the problem is gone.
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