104°C max temp of i7 cores (seen with HW monitor) during AVCHD files XFR!!

Hi all,

during importation of AVCHD files (for a total of 3Gb) on an external HDD (on battery supply) from an SD card inserted in MBP slot, according to HW monitor (bresink s/w), CPU core temperatures hit 104°C !!!! Is it possible? The bottom of MBP was very warm...
Moreover it appeared that it took only waiting to overtake 100°C (given by HW monitor) to the fans to kick in!! and in spite of this, after fans kicking in, the CPU 2 and 4 temps seemed to remain at 102-103° whilst 1 and 4 were going down (what makes me doubt about HW monitor...)...
What is strange too is that I have lifted the MBP of about 5cm above the table (in order to improve ventilation) but it did not change at all the effect on max temperature.

What do you think? did you notice a so significant overheat during importing some files (AVCHD like and form some Gb) to your MBP?
How much can I trust HW monitor?

Tomorrow is the 14th day of life of my MBP: I am going to sleep (here in france) --> night will advise me whether or not to request to be refunded......as I have encountered once too the freezing occurrence...
What do you think?

MBP 15" i7 2.66 / 8GB RAM DDR3 / 512 GB SSD, Mac OS X (10.6.3)

Posted on May 19, 2010 2:57 PM

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May 20, 2010 10:29 AM in response to califfo1975

A question: is the max 105°C temperature provided by Intel for any core or for what HW monitor calls CPU A temperature diode? If it is for the latter, with 104°C on the core(s), I had about 8-10°C less on CPU A.
Thanks

P.S.: I did a SMC reset and tried other AVCHD XFR (not from SD card but via USB) and max temps (on battery) was 93-94°C on core(s). Maybe I improved something?....

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May 21, 2010 2:27 AM in response to califfo1975

Apparently I am not alone to have a late fans kick-in --> high temps
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=908210&highlight=yesdev+nulltest

what do you have on yours? In my case, when doing a AVCHD XFR from SD (it was cooler when transferring directly from the sony camera connetced via usb) the CPU works a bit, the temperatures rise and fans start only when CPU A diode is at 95°C but cores at 100°C.
What do you think also in the light of what has been done in macrumors forum?
Thanks

May 21, 2010 3:11 AM in response to califfo1975

Certainly sounds unusual, califfo.

As you are using Hardware Monitor could you post an image of the comparative history file for the CPU Core, CPU A Diode and fan speeds while undertaking the process you mention? One of the great joys of Hardware Monitor is the ease with which you can do such things. Personally I don't think I have ever before heard of HWM reporting a higher CPU core temp than the CPU A diode on any MBP, and I'd be interested in seeing what was going on.

I haven't seen HWM run on an MBP i5 or i7, but I'm intrigued that you are getting 4 core temps, given that your processor actually has only two cores.

What does Marcel Bresink say about the situation? He has always been very straightforward about such things whenever approached in the past, from what I have seen.

You don't say what the AVCHD files were being imported in to? If they were simply being transferred from the SD card to an external HD it is hard to see why the CPU would be involved much at all (though if the external was a bus powered USB drive, rather than FW, perhaps there would be some processor overhead). If the files were being converted into a different format your story might be more plausible, but you don't make any mention of such things?

Hardware monitor (which is NOT free, by the way, despite your suggestion in one of your posts) is generally very accurate.

If you could post some screen shots of the relevant comparative history graphs that it generates of temperatures, fan speeds and the like, it would be much easier to take a guess at whether you really have a genuine problem or not.

Cheers

Rod

May 21, 2010 4:39 AM in response to Rod Hagen

Rod,

first of all thank you for your reply!
I do not have my mbp with me right now, but I invite you to have a look at this forum (even if it's in French) where there is a picture of a temperature rise on the 4 cores as well as the diode CPU A temp: in my case there was not a so long flat at 103-104°C but just a hit followed by a temps drop because of fans (late) kick-in when reaching 100°C on cores and 95° on CPU A temp diode. With repsct to CPU average load, it was between (during the XFR/conversion) between 50 and 90% (I would say at an average of 60%)
http://forum.macbidouille.com/index.php?showtopic=324835&st=90&start=90.

I confirm that (looking at last week history of extreme values with HW monitor on my MBP) the max CPU A temp diode was 97°C against 103-104°C max on cores.

With respect to CPU 2 and 4 temps I believe that they are derived from CPU 1 and 3 (i.e. the physical 4 cores) as sometimes these parameters do not respond or remain stuck at very high temps although CPU 1 and 3 cores are fast descending.
As you propose I will contact bresink about this.

With respect to AVCHD files: when I did the import process, they were converted into .mov (I believe) files by imovie in order to be later used as clips in imovie or in FCE 4: moreover I did the import action with the request to have the original size of the captured films (1280x800 I believe).

As soon as I will be back home, I will post some pictures of my temperature rise and fans kick-in but, as said before, it was very similar to the one on the attached link.

Moreovver, if you look at macrumors forum link here above, other people noted that fans kick very late, i.e. when CPU temp (but measured with istat) was at 95-100°C. In the light of this I do not think (give me your advise) that my MBP has something specifically wrong with respect to others. The only open question is if it is normal that CPU got hot so much during this AVCHD import/conversion.

A question: what is the istat CPU temp equivalent to HW monitor parameters?
For your information I have the fully unlocked (paid license) version oh latests HW monitor.

Thank you Rod for your help
Emanuele

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May 21, 2010 6:48 AM in response to califfo1975

size 3,94gb and my wife told me the wrong temp (cpu-heatsink) ...

i did it again now and got 82° max. (cpu) with 3700rpm fan-speed, now 2600 with same degrees celsius. (cpu between 80°-82° now, constant in this range)
seems that my fans start going faster around 80°.
the enclosure is not really warm, istat shows 38°.
.mov original size / best quality.

activity monitor shows "full power".
i did'nt stop time, but sure more than 30mins.

May 22, 2010 4:51 PM in response to Sascha H-K

Thank you once again for your participation to this thread.
I went today to an apple shop where they had a 17" with i5 at 2.53Ghz: when I did the same import of avchd files from the usb key, the max core temperatures given by temp monitor (from bresink) were between 99° and 102°C with a CPU A diode temperature at 97°C --> as on my MBP. Also in this case the fans started rotating above 2000rpm only when core T was around 95°C-100°C: it is too late.
In the light of this and of what is also reported in the macrumors link I provided here above, I think that in some MBP (and probably not all as reported here above by Sacha) there is a late activation of fans with a consequent impact on max core temps.
Moreover I noted that after doing a second import of the same files with warm cpu but with fans at 2000rpm, these latter activated well before 90°C as though there was a hotter history / spot somewhere invoking their activation....sacha, I want to say with this that maybe the fans kick-in might be at higher temps than what you remarked depending on what has been done before on the mbp.

In the light of all of this, i am convinced now that, with a replacement, I could receive a mbp heating the same or less, and that it might indeed be a russian roulette.
the only gain might be having the latest hw (probably addressing the freezing problem) though I think that freezing is a s/w issue.

thank you

Emanuele

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