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Jan 14, 2011 6:37 AMby Lawrence Finch,Most of the answers are in the thread if you look, but I don't blame you for skipping over most of the thread. Over 1000 messages is a real commitment.AnthonyNC wrote:
Sure, I know that.. But 522K of "hello are you there" messages? I dont know. I can see 1K in collective data being sent "up" but 522K? I dont buy it. That is a lot of data for a phone that was asleep all day long. Extrapolate that out 30 days and I am looking at ~16MB of "sent" data to the mother ship coming right off the top of my 200MB allotment? Why?
I am serious, there was NO phone usage that day. I simply did not pick it up other than to move it near me in case a call came in when I sat to watch a movie around 8pm. So maybe the wap.cingular was some EDGE connection during the time it was in sleep mode and wanted to cry out to a tower because it was lonely. I get that but not 522K worth.
The reported usage is a summary, and may not be from the day in which it was reported. But then again it may be, also.
I do have crash data turned off. I read and followed the instructions to turn all that off, among everything else that has essentially rendered me with a crappy experience now.
Crash data is collected by wire when you sync the phone, not over the air.
So its still a mystery as to the quantity of data being schlepped up to wherever. I'll tell you this, its not past me to get paranoid about this being a data collection exercise and not a billing reconciliation exercise.
I agree that it is suspicious.
And, another question remains - why only "sent" data? Where is the "received" data? Why is data only being "sent"? You know, if it looks like a snake...............
This one is easy. When the iPhone first went on AT&T's network EVERY data transfer was reported. Which meant that initial bills had dozens to hundreds of pages. AT&T fixed this by having network nodes total the data that passed through the node from your phone and send only one number to the billing system. But the billing system only knew about "sent" and "received" data, not about consolidated. So the consolidated data were arbitrarily labeled "sent". While it shows as "sent" in the online summary, on my bill it is just labeled "data".
Are they listening to our calls too???
NSA probably is -
Jan 14, 2011 8:34 AMby macs4bg,AnthonyNC wrote:
Are they listening to our calls too???Lawrence Finch wrote:
NSA probably is
Calls, emails, the whole works. The P B S Frontline program is still online if AnthonyNC has never seen it, it was very well done. Just google for:
P B S . o r g A T & T N S A (no spaces, of course). -
Jan 14, 2011 8:59 AMby macs4bg,Lawrence Finch wrote:
...apps ARE allowed to read, create, update and delete contact information. and apps can send and receive data. So an unscrupulous app developer could harvest contacts and associated information. There is at least one case where this happened, however that developer has been banned from the app store and their apps deleted.
One such app that duplicates anything you do in your Contacts -- "reads, creates, updates and deletes contact information" -- is "VISUAL CONTACTS" or VisuContacts as it appears on homescreen under its icon: http://www.grcbox.com/en/
What that app offers over & above the native Contacts app is that VisualContacts shows the photos you have for each contact in the "All Contacts" List View, which was a nice addition.
Not saying the above app/devs are crooks, but I DID have that app on iphone beginning April 2010 (per App Store receipt). -
Jan 14, 2011 1:34 PMby AnthonyNC,Calls, emails, the whole works. The P B S Frontline program is still online if AnthonyNC has never seen it, it was very well done. Just google for:
P B S . o r g A T & T N S A (no spaces, of course).
I was going to say this is scary but after thinking about it some, its not scary. Its **** sad is what it is. Was it Jefferson who said that those whom would give up freedom for security deserve neither?
Eh - its not much like when we go to purchase Sudafed these days. If we want to clear our stuffed noses then we need to provide our drivers license and personal info to the pharmacists, who will in turn make available a growing database, to a federal authorities INSTEAD of the federal authorities actually going after the substance abuser themselves. -
Jan 14, 2011 2:59 PMby macs4bg,AnthonyNC wrote:
...P B S Frontline...
I was going to say this is scary but after thinking about it some, its not scary. Its **** sad is what it is. Was it Jefferson who said that those whom would give up freedom for security deserve neither?
Agreed & Welcome to the "New Whirld Odor" (lol on that play on words I'd seen elsewhere).Eh - its not much like when we go to purchase Sudafed these days. If we want to clear our stuffed noses then we need to provide our drivers license and personal info to the pharmacists, who will in turn make available a growing database, to a federal authorities INSTEAD of the federal authorities actually going after the substance abuser themselves.
Say goodbye to Sudafed & the N a z i Pharmacy Tracking System: Try a Nasal Irrigation Device, per Dr. Oz it works wonders:
http://www.google.com/search?q=droz+-+sinus+waterdrainer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
To keep this on-topic: Curious: How keep iphone from connecting to ANY network when you turn it off? If I turn off the 3G Network in Settings, it automatically reverts to Edge Network, but there is no option to turn off Edge. (And I don't have wifi or VPN or any of that). -
Jan 14, 2011 6:45 PMby AnthonyNC,To keep this on-topic: Curious: How keep iphone from connecting to ANY network when you turn it off? If I turn off the 3G Network in Settings, it automatically reverts to Edge Network, but there is no option to turn off Edge. (And I don't have wifi or VPN or any of that).
Airplane mode? Not sure. Will have to test that. Eventually they're coming for their data though so short of an 'order' to cease that behavior, I suppose we're going to continue to see it. -
Jan 14, 2011 8:29 PMby macs4bg,AnthonyNC wrote:
Airplane mode? Not sure. Will have to test that. Eventually they're coming for their data though so short of an 'order' to cease that behavior, I suppose we're going to continue to see it.
Thanks. You're probably right re that latter comment. I just thought if I could completely disconnect it while not using it, I might could "cut down" on their "snooping opportunities." :-/
I don't know what Airplane Mode does, if anything, when it is turned on... -
Jan 15, 2011 12:47 PMby Network 23,macs4bg wrote:
Thanks. You're probably right re that latter comment. I just thought if I could completely disconnect it while not using it, I might could "cut down" on their "snooping opportunities." :-/
Depends. A legitimate carrier can simply collect data on the device until the next time you put it back on the network, and then upload it. So instead of uploading 100K every hour, it might do one 400K upload after you turn the network back on after four hours. And a malicious app can do the same thing.I don't know what Airplane Mode does, if anything, when it is turned on...
You know when you're on an airplane and they say "You can't use phones or radios during flight"? When you turn on Airplane mode, all transmitters and receivers on the phone are shut off. That's why it was suggested to you, because it's a central switch to shut off all wireless (cell, wifi, Bluetooth). -
Jan 16, 2011 3:30 PMby Lawrence Finch,AnthonyNC wrote:
I was going to say this is scary but after thinking about it some, its not scary. Its **** sad is what it is. Was it Jefferson who said that those whom would give up freedom for security deserve neither?
+They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.+
- Benjamin Franklin: February 17, 1775 -
Jan 16, 2011 6:26 PMby snl11,I got my new iphone 4 on Dec 17th, 2010 and within 3 days, my phone had sent 82MB and I hadn't downloaded any apps yet. I have noticed that about every 2 weeks it is sending large amounts at one time (50,000kb) either in one chunk or broken up (24,000 kb and 26,000 within 12 hours of each other). Just checked my data and it sent 48,000 kb yesterday. Again it was about 2 weeks since last large chunk. I had a blackberry curve prior to this and the most data I used in a month (over a 24 month period) was 15 MB. Have called AT&T several times and no one can explain the problem. -
Jan 16, 2011 8:08 PMby AnthonyNC,"Have called AT&T several times and no one can explain the problem"
I dont believe that they wish to explain it. That is what they've left me to believe. But, its not going to be dropped and forgotten about, trust me.
I refuse to pay for their need to use my 200MB allotment even if its buried in their unreadable contract somewhere. It would then boil down to, among several other issues, false advertising. There was no asterisk next to that 200MB figure, when I signed up, that stated some or most of that 200MB would be THEM using my phone in the middle of the night for some unknown reasons they wish to deny and/or not be able to explain. I was under the impression that 200MB was 200MB. What they need to do in order to "reconcile" their billing system should not be affecting my 200MB bucket of data. But it is and that is 1/2 the matter here.
They dont charge me a text message to notify me that my bill is due. So why the data? -
Jan 16, 2011 8:25 PMby kaluzu,There is something widespread with all phones apparently.
http://www.appolicious.com/finance/articles/4800-wp7-data-phantoms-who-you-gonna -call -
Jan 16, 2011 8:29 PMby VinUnleaded,It appears you are barking up the wrong tree Anthony. AT&T is only a service provider, they only bill you for the traffic going through their network (coming from your phone). They really have no idea what is requesting those traffic on your phone. Thats like asking your electrical company which machine is drawing power and causing usage on your electrical bill.
"They dont charge me a text message to notify me that my bill is due. So why the data?"
Are you assuming those data usage you cant explain is because of your internet provider? Lets not fall into the logic of "if I cant explain this, it must be this".
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