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  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)
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    Jun 18, 2010 10:53 AM (in response to Peter R.)
    But nothing says that the copyright holders are required to provide you with a specific means of quoting. Your are still able to use quotes in exactly the same way as you could if you had a printed copy of the book, i.e., copy it by hand. So, Fair Use hasn't changed.
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  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,185 points)
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    Jun 18, 2010 10:59 AM (in response to Peter R.)
    I found the something. I should have Google when i didn't. That being said... I hope you cite where you got the work... Google that...

    As for the iBook store. It is the distributor/publisher that want it that way in the iBook store. Ask them why...

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  • Daiya Level 4 Level 4 (1,655 points)
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    Jun 18, 2010 12:28 PM (in response to dwharrison)
    I read that Kindle clippings were limited to 10% of the text.

    From this account of the Kindle pilot program at Princeton:
    http://db.tidbits.com/article/11318
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  • Dolf Muccillo Calculating status...
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    Jul 1, 2010 7:49 AM (in response to Peter R.)
    For short passages you can select the text and then choose "Search".

    From the resulting screen, you can then select all and copy/paste.

    However, this is just a few characters. Too lazy to count. About a Tweet's worth?
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  • Paul Ingraham Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Aug 15, 2010 8:01 AM (in response to Dolf Muccillo)
    The “search” workaround is still the only way I know of doing relatively easy copy and paste of content in protected iBooks, after an hour of studying the problem. I have tried and (so far) failed to figure out where the iBooks app is storing information about highlighted text, which would be the next best thing.

    It’s much easier with the Kindle app: as someone mentioned above, your highlights are made readily accessible when you login at kindle.amazon.com. As of August 2010, the steps are: login, select “Your books,” and then click the little pencil icon in the “Content” column at the right side of the table of your books.
  • Phoney Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Aug 15, 2010 8:54 AM (in response to David M Brewer)
    Don't be ridiculous. You'd be hard-pressed to find any serious academic work that doesn't quote other authors. It is part of the academic process. US Copyright law has a fair use provision, and using appropriate citations for the quoted material is legal and perfectly appropriate.

    Its silly for book publishers to block you from copying a paragraph or two of their work, but, then again, it's not exactly hard to re-type it.
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  • pberk Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
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    Aug 15, 2010 10:08 AM (in response to Paul Ingraham)
    Paul Ingraham wrote:



    It’s much easier with the Kindle app: as someone mentioned above, your highlights are made readily accessible when you login at kindle.amazon.com.


    It's easier for a reason - Amazon SHARES your kindle highlights etc. with other users...[Their "popular highlights" feature culls YOUR annotations from your archived library]....Once they started doing this, I stopped highlighting anything with kindle....I never gave them permission to share MY work with others.
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  • thomasfromsouthern shores Calculating status...
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    Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM (in response to dwharrison)

    This is a very helpful reply.  I did as you suggested and found all my highlights listed and was able to use the copy & paste function. 

     

    Recently, I read a book that I wanted to make a list of suggestions for help.  To use my iPad I had to exit the Kindle app type one out, re-enter the Kindle app. etc etc.  (Or write out in longhand and transcribe to iPad.

     

    On the dark side, be aware that your highlights are listed online in your Kindle account.  Have no idea if others have access to hek, eg  "Based on your highlights in X, you might be interested in Y.

  • Roger Lier1 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Mar 17, 2012 1:54 PM (in response to Peter R.)

    Some replies to this question indicate one can copy/paste on non-copyrighted material. But the answer is not that simple. I can copy/paste from Confession of an Economic Hitman, which is copyrighted. But I cannot copy/paste from Winnie the Pooh. I can copy/paste from a free ePub book downloaded from the iTunes Store. Someone said it depends on whether there is a DRM on the file. But how does one tell if there is DRM on the file?

     

    Apple, please tell us what's up with this.

     

    When I discovered I could not copy/paste in most iBooks, I bought a Kindle, because I can access all my hightlighted passages in the My Clippings.txt file, which is accessible in the Finder, when connecting the Kindle to my Mac via USB. One can copy and paste from the .txt file. The nice thing about this .txt file is that every passage has the a citation with it: Here is an example:

     

    Trying to put together an army of resistance, the Arawaks faced Spaniards who had armor, muskets, swords, horses. When the Spaniards took prisoners they hanged them or burned them to death. Among the Arawaks, mass suicides began, with cassava poison. Infants were killed to save them from the Spaniards. In two years, through murder, mutilation, or suicide, half of the 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead.

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    A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present (Howard Zinn)

    - Note Loc. 149  | Added on Friday, May 13, 2011, 01:54 PM

     

     

    All my highlighted passages are also available on a web page https://kindle.amazon.com/your_highlights

    This page displays the first highlighted passage but keeps on loading. One can copy/paste from this web page. The nice thing about the web page is that you can access your highlighted passage from any computer with a web browser.

  • David Moore3 Calculating status...
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    Mar 21, 2012 2:15 PM (in response to Peter R.)

    Are we saying here that some iBooks or Kindle books are copiable? I'm asking because I have a book in iBooks that cannot be copied, and it would be worth my time to re-buy from Amazon if I can copy & paste.

  • Roger Lier1 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Mar 21, 2012 7:43 PM (in response to David Moore3)

    I do not know how it works on the Kindle Fire, but on the "Kindle Keyboard" model, which I use and on the iPad Kindle software, there is no copy command the way there is in some iBooks books. However, all the Kindle books I have purchased allow highlighting. And one's hightlighted passages are available on a web page and in a text file kept on Kindle hardware (not on the iPad--well it may be on the iPad, but I have not fouind out how to access it on the iPad). I know that at least some publishers set a limit on how much of a book's highlights will be accessible on the web page and the text file. I ran up against this limit in one book I bought. I could keep highlighting, but after I had highlighted a certain percentage of that book, the highlighted passages beyond that point did not show up on the web page or in the text file.

     

    It is clunky to have to copy and paste from a web page or a text file, rather than directly from the Kindle book into a word processor, but that is the way it is.

    Roger

  • Steve Werner Level 2 Level 2 (325 points)
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    Mar 21, 2012 7:53 PM (in response to Roger Lier1)

    Roger Lier1 wrote:

     

    Some replies to this question indicate one can copy/paste on non-copyrighted material. But the answer is not that simple. I can copy/paste from Confession of an Economic Hitman, which is copyrighted. But I cannot copy/paste from Winnie the Pooh. I can copy/paste from a free ePub book downloaded from the iTunes Store. Someone said it depends on whether there is a DRM on the file. But how does one tell if there is DRM on the file?

     

     

    Here's how to tell if a book has DRM.

     

    Open up iTunes. Click Library > Books at the upper left and you'll see all books in iTunes. Choose the List view (leftmost icon at the upper right).

     

    The books marked as "Protected book" have DRM. The books which have been purchased without DRM are listed as "Purchased book". The books which you may have sideloaded (Add to Library command or drag into iTunes) are simply listed as "Book".

  • Roger Lier1 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Mar 22, 2012 8:47 AM (in response to Steve Werner)

    Thank you, Steve. I had to right click the column heading in list view to select "Kind" because "Kind" was not one of the columns visible, but once I did that, I discovered that two free books I downloaded from iTunes, which I assume are not in the public domain (The Beatles Yellow Submarine and Winnie-the-Pooh) even though they were free, did have a "Kind" listed as "Protected book"), but Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, which I paid $ to purchase through the iTunes store, is not a "Protected book" but rather a "Purchased book."  And even though it was a recently published book and I had to pay for it, I could copy and paste from it. Thank you, John Perkins! (BTW, in my humble opinion, everyone should read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, if they want to know what is going on politically in the U. S. and why so many nations hate the U. S., because people all around the world are reading this book. Ånd you will be able to copy and paste from it, just like I could from Project Gutenberg books.)

     

    Does anyone know if there is a way to tell before you buy a book, whether the kind is "Protected Book" or a "Purchased book." I would buy more books from Apple if I knew they were not "Protected."

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