Can't extend network: AE models the problem?

checking out some other messages I searched out here, I suspect I may have the problem figured out, more or less, but need to figure out how to be sure:

I have 5 airport expresses, bought at different times, that make up a home network designed to play music via a pair of speakers attached to each AE, and one main is attached to a cable modem.

This works ok, though I get a lot of dropout as complained about by many others here, not consistent enough to blame my other electronics in the house, although who knows what the downstairs neighbor might have that is interfering.

Hoping to improve the robustness of the system, I tried to set up the AE to extend the network rather than just join it, but got a lot of error messages when airport utility was trying to 'configure main network' to accept an extension via this airport. I did type in MAC addresses for each additional devices into the main (modem connected) AE settings, under 'allow clients', and it seemed to reset with that data accepted/intact. I just couldn't 'extend' via the clients as I added them.

Which AE models are configurable to extend a WDS network? And does it matter which of them is the 'main' and which are the 'relay' devices? And can I interrogate the AE to tell which model they are or do I have to squeeze into their nooks and try to read the very fine print on them?

I really only need one of them to do the 'relay' thing to the printers, and if one of them is compatible with that function and the others were not, it would save a lot of time to know which one it is, or that I have to replace just that one.

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Posted on Jun 22, 2010 8:26 AM

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Jun 22, 2010 8:36 AM in response to Donot Haveone

Welcome to the discussion area!

If you have a mix of older "b/g" and newer "n" AirPort Express devices (it sounds like you do), you'll need to use the static WDS type configuration that you describe. If all of your devices are newer "n" devices, you can use a different type of setup.

It's very easy to make a mistake during the WDS setup because you must configure a "main" device (only 1 can be the "main base station"). A "relay" is a device that is located between the main base station and a remote. A relay is used if there is not enough signal present to simply configure a main and a remote.

Take a look at the instructions provided by expert user Tesserax for configuring a WDS setup with main, relay and remote devices to see if that might help:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2422028&tstart=0

Jun 22, 2010 8:42 AM in response to Donot Haveone

Which AE models are configurable to extend a WDS network?


Both the 802.11g (Model# A1084 / Part# M9470LL/A) & 802.11n (Model# A1264 / Part# MB3211LL/A ) AirPort Express Base Stations can be configured for a Wireless Distribution System (WDS) to extend their network wirelessly. However, depending on which model you have, the configuration steps to do so are different.

There are basically two "flavors" of WDS: static & dynamic. The 802.11g models can only support static, and the 802.11n models can do either. In the case where you would use mixed versions, only the static option is available.

A static WDS allows for a main, relay, and remote base stations in the configuration. It is better suited when you want to cover a long linear distance ... like a rectangular-shaped building. On the other hand, a dynamic WDS only allows for a main and (multiple) remote base stations. This is better suited for those situations where the main would be in the center and you wanted to extend the network outwards to other rooms. Think of a star pattern.

And does it matter which of them is the 'main' and which are the 'relay' devices?


The "main" should be the one connected to the Internet.

And can I interrogate the AE to tell which model they are or do I have to squeeze into their nooks and try to read the very fine print on them?


The simplest way would be to use the AirPort Utility and check which firmware version a particular base station is using. The 802.11g models use v6.x; the 802.11n models use v7.x.

Jun 22, 2010 9:09 AM in response to Tesserax

All my AE are 1084s.

And the main is the one connected to the internet: that one 'creates' the wireless network, and the others 'join' the wireless network.

Can I configure the one AE 1084 in the back room to activate the ethernet port as a LAN without buying a different model?

And can I do this without having to reset all of the devices for WDS, only changing the one that is to connect printers to the network?

Jun 22, 2010 9:30 AM in response to Bob Timmons

I think that I followed these directions (the excellent review by Tesserax pointed to by this post) over and over, adding the mac addresses as clients to the main station before one by one resetting and adding the other AE, each unsuccessfully, whether as remotes or relays, got partway through the reset with a 'unsuccessful, quit airport utility/start again' or 'successful update' then the devices disappeared from the airport utility window as they restarted.

I probably did something wrong, or it would have worked?

Message was edited by: Donot Haveone

Jun 22, 2010 12:53 PM in response to Donot Haveone

Can I configure the one AE 1084 in the back room to activate the ethernet port as a LAN without buying a different model?


You could, but the only way to do so is to configure it for a static WDS with the AX connected to the Internet. The other AXs can still join the extended network for streaming. However, the #1 problem with a WDS is that for every base station added, the overall bandwidth is cut in half. This will eventually cause issues with streaming ... especially if you plan on streaming HD video.

And can I do this without having to reset all of the devices for WDS, only changing the one that is to connect printers to the network?


If you are sharing a USB printer, a WDS would not be required. Only if you want to share an Ethernet printer via an AX.

Jun 22, 2010 1:18 PM in response to Tesserax

Since the printers and the cable modem with the 'main' AE are several rooms' apart, the farthest 2 nodes in the network, and performance of even simple non-streamed iTunes over the network is already spotty (the major use of the network), better part of valor says stop fussing and use printers via USB connection to this AE.

Can the AE handle two printers connected to a USB hub connected to the AE?

Jun 22, 2010 1:30 PM in response to Donot Haveone

D'Oh, found the answer here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2421?viewlocale=en_US

AirPort Express Base Station 802.11g

* Single USB printer directly into the USB port
* Additionally, with AirPort Express firmware 6.1 or later, you may use the Keyspan Express Remote. If you want to use the remote and a printer at the same time, it's OK to use a powered USB hub to make that possible.

AirPort Extreme Base Station 802.11n with Fast/Gigagbit Ethernet

* Single self-powered USB hard disk
* Single powered USB printer directly into the USB port, or several printers connected to the base station via a powered USB hub
* Using a powered USB hub you may connect several hard disks and/or printers

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