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Q: 27-inch / 27" iMac Random Shut down

SPECS:____________________________________________________________________________
• 27" 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 / 8gig / 1TB
• OS 10.6.3 (about to update to 10.6.4)
• All firmware updates have been applied according to software update
• 3 external drives: 1-320 gig 800fw / 1-TB USB 2.0 / 1-500gig USB 2.0

INFORMATION:____________________________________________________________________

I've been running with this configuration ( 3 extra drives) since approximately December with no issues. Out of the blue... only running Aperture and Safari - my iMac JUST SHUTS off- WITHOUTwarning. It acted as though I was running a MacBook and the battery going dead/asleep. That's how random and sudden it shut down - NO WARNING. I did have the iMac asleep for about three hours before coming back to it to start working again when it shut down, but it should have even been cool.

I only started reading around on the web to see of other incidents after this random shut down this evening, but I can't find anything specific. I've found A LOT of similar things - all seemingly related to "HEAT."

And heat seems to be a certain issue recently - in the last day or two. Today I noticed my top back side to be hot, which isn't uncommon, however, it became so hot I really wasn't able to keep my hand on the top back. I've also noticed A LOT of spinning beach balls, and lots of processor delay! Heat??

There are NO energy saver pref's set to automatically shut it down. The power was and is firmly set. There are no network settings, nor access to the iMac to have it shut down. It is not shared with anyone on the network.

SUMMARY:___________________________________________________________________________

• Today, I grabbed a couple temp / monitor widgets and am trying to watch the data. All components seem to be at/around/below 140 degrees F with ambient air at 77 degrees. I don't know numbers, but that all seems reasonable.
• Going to update to OS 10.6.4 (doubt that's it!!)
• I'm going to run the hardware test from my disc to see if ANYTHING. 8-p
• AND... I'm going to call Apple to set up a case. It's still full under warranty, and I have 2 more years of AppleCare on it. But there's been too many things pointing to hardware to call this a software issue.

I've dodged all the display issues with my iMac, but now.. I'm a bit hacked knowing how much I spent on this thing, with the initial DELAYS I went through, ordering it before it had even been released!

?? QUESTION ??_____________________________________________________________________

So, has anyone else been having this issue, heard of a solution, seen anything on Apple's website of known issues ??

Barry
( Grumbling bout my Mac)

Which one of twelve??, Mac OS X (10.5.6), ever hear Newton?!! ;-) One of those, too!

Posted on Jun 22, 2010 8:59 PM

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  • by architextus,

    architextus architextus Jul 22, 2011 11:21 AM in response to architextus
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    Jul 22, 2011 11:21 AM in response to architextus

    Good News.

     

    I installed the Samsung RAM that Apple sent me to replace my malfunctioning RAM on Jul 17. As of Jul 22 my computer is running perfectly. I have not experienced a single black screen shutdown. I've also noticed the fan runs smoother and quieter than before. Ever since the RAM replacement, the machine runs solid regardless the application or OS (I run Bootcamp also). I'll continue to monitor the performance, but initial feedback is replacing the malfunctioning RAM chips with Samsung solved the problem.

     

    I've bought my first Apple iMac in Jan 2011. Now that Apple solved my random black screen shutdowns, I'm fast learning why people who convert to Apple, stay with Apple.

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 7, 2011 9:30 AM in response to architextus
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    Aug 7, 2011 9:30 AM in response to architextus

    I've been using 16GB of replacement RAM I ordered from Crucial.com and was experiencing the random shutdown issue at least once a week. Even with only Safari and Mail open it would happen. As an interim solution I yanked out 2 of the 4 replacement RAM modules and reinstalled the factory modules, dropping my total RAM back down to 12GB.

     

    2 X 2GB (Factory RAM)

    2 X 4GB (Crucial)

     

    No random shutdowns in almost 2 weeks. Honestly, for my purposes the 12GB is plenty (even "overkill"), but I paid for the full 16GB aftermarket RAM and I want to use it. I am contacting Crucial and seeing about returning 2 or the 4 modules I bought. I will then look for two 4GB modules of Samsung RAM to get back to the full 16GB.

  • by architextus,

    architextus architextus Aug 7, 2011 9:57 AM in response to architextus
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    Aug 7, 2011 9:57 AM in response to architextus

    Replacement RAM definitely solved my problem. I installed the Samsung RAM on Jul 17 (21 days ago) and have not experienced a SINGLE random black screen shutdown.

     

    You may remember from my previous posts I experienced at least one and often many random black screen shutdowns daily before Apple replaced my RAM.

     

    My machine runs smooth and seems faster. I've also noticed the fan doesn't run as hot or loudly as it used to.

     

    If you experience random black screen shutdowns running 16Gb of RAM and the RAM is not Samsung, replace your RAM with Samsung and it will more than likely solve your problem.

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 7, 2011 2:08 PM in response to architextus
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    Aug 7, 2011 2:08 PM in response to architextus

    I will be ordering from OWC, who sells Samsung RAM,  as soon as Crucial refunds my money for their faulty RAM.

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 11, 2011 6:45 AM in response to rseijas
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    Aug 11, 2011 6:45 AM in response to rseijas

    Looks like Crucial is having issues with ALL their Mac RAM. The MacBook Pro's are having similar issues:

    http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Apple-Mac-Memory/bd-p/Apple

     

    Crucial used to be a great resource for upgrading Macs, but now they just can't be trusted. That's sad.

  • by bobalew,

    bobalew bobalew Aug 14, 2011 12:39 PM in response to Berry with an "A"
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    Aug 14, 2011 12:39 PM in response to Berry with an "A"

    Just picked my iMac up from the apple store where I took it for repair after calling about my ongoing, intermittent shutdown problem. They kept it a week and "cannot duplicate" so did nothing.

     

    Just so you guys with all the fancy configs know, mine is a simple from the factory late 2009 iMac 2.66 Ghz i5 4GB memory, standard install except for Microsoft Office and Finale.  Hooked up to a nice UPS. I am not a power user, and this problem has been plaguing me almost from the start.  Sometimes I'm working on it, sometimes I'm not and suddenly it just shuts down.  I finally decided to confront them about it and got nowhere.  So I really doubt it has anything to do with power use, modified configs, large amounts of ram (mine gets plenty hot with this modest configuration) -- I'm guessing it is a pervasive hardware problem with a standard component.  I'm on extended warrantee, and had been following this thread once in a while to see if any resolution had been achieved.

     

    So I broke down and brought mine in to no avail.  I wonder what will happen when it goes kaput after the extended warrantee runs out?  I've held on to my PC just in case!

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 24, 2011 10:42 AM in response to bobalew
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    Aug 24, 2011 10:42 AM in response to bobalew

    Another two weeks have passes since yanking out half the Crucial RAM. Not a single shutdown or hiccup of any kind since then. Pretty obvious where the problem lies! I posted on the Curcial support forums too.

     

    Now I'm just waitng and waiting and waiting for my RMA from Crucial.

  • by craig01111,

    craig01111 craig01111 Aug 24, 2011 12:48 PM in response to Berry with an "A"
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    Aug 24, 2011 12:48 PM in response to Berry with an "A"

    My 27" iMac suffered from random shutdowns. Traced it to a faulty power cord.

  • by andym00,

    andym00 andym00 Aug 25, 2011 3:48 AM in response to Berry with an "A"
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    Aug 25, 2011 3:48 AM in response to Berry with an "A"

    Just to add to this, I recently upgraded my mid'2010 i3 iMac from it's stock 4GB to 4x4GB of Corsair RAM.. Since the upgrade I'd been suffering a shutdown about once a day.. After reading through this entire thread, I pulled one bank out, and re-installed the factory 2x2GB sticks, so now running with 12GB.. It's been good as gold so far

  • by hijitus,

    hijitus hijitus Aug 25, 2011 7:13 AM in response to andym00
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    Aug 25, 2011 7:13 AM in response to andym00

    Hi, I think you shouldn't just reduce the RAM, better put Samsung RAM (the whole 16) if your machine is in waranty Apple should give you 4GB of samsung Ram for free, and you send them back the original one (the other 3 should be samsung also)

    I had originally 16 GB i7 27'' and the iMac was shutting down once a week, later once a day, and then every 2 hours. My applestore agreed to send me 16 GB of Samsung (and mail the original back to them) at no cost. Not a single shutdown since then. THIS IS AN ISSUE APPLE SHOULD SOLVE!

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 25, 2011 7:16 AM in response to hijitus
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    Aug 25, 2011 7:16 AM in response to hijitus

    I think this is a Crucial issue, not an Apple issue. If the iMacs all function normally with Samsung RAM but gag on Crucial RAM, it's clearly a Crucial issue.

  • by shadowhywind,

    shadowhywind shadowhywind Aug 25, 2011 7:28 AM in response to rseijas
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    Aug 25, 2011 7:28 AM in response to rseijas

    Acturally its Everybodies issue, Its Crucials, OCW, Mushkin, Apple, etc, problem. I am assuming here, but I can only guess that Apple sent the wrong specs over to the ram manufacturers, so they ended up producing ram that causes this issue at 16gb. However what ever the issue was, it has been fixed.  It doesn't matter what brand of ram you have, if you experience this problem, contact the manufacturer of the ram. From this forum, all brands know of the issue and are working with customers to replace the problem ram. Personally I have 16gb of Mushkin, after experienceing this problem, and them sending out replacements I have gone without a signal unexpected shutdown.

     

    So if you have an issue, it takes 5 mins to track down the manufacturers phone number, and about another 5 mins on the phone.

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Aug 25, 2011 7:32 AM in response to shadowhywind
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    Aug 25, 2011 7:32 AM in response to shadowhywind

    Samsung seems to have gotten it right. Mushkin also seems to have it right. Crucial screwed the pooch though, and OWC is just a reseller, no?

  • by rseijas,

    rseijas rseijas Sep 10, 2011 1:30 PM in response to rseijas
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    Sep 10, 2011 1:30 PM in response to rseijas

    Somebody on the Crucial support forum claims that OSX 10.7 Lion cured this malady. Does anybody have experience with Lion fixing this random shutdown issue with 16MB of RAM installed? Seems hokey to me that someone claims this fixes the problem, but stranger things have happened. Until somebody else confirms this I'm assuming the guy posting on the Crucial site is a plant or a fanboy with an agenda.

  • by Jeff.C,

    Jeff.C Jeff.C Sep 11, 2011 10:56 AM in response to rseijas
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    Sep 11, 2011 10:56 AM in response to rseijas

    Ever since I upgraded from Lion 7.0 to 7.0.1 I've been having shutdown problems again (been running great the past eyar since I installed the Samsung RAM that Apple sent me).

     

    If I remove two sticks (bringing it down to 8GB) it runs fine (just very slow because I run a lot of server development apps).  I'm super-swamped with work, but will be likely brining it in for repair soon.  In another thread a guy seems to ahve the same problem.  They replaced his logic board, but he's still having issues.

     

    ...sigh =\

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