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Rotating thru Safari windows with Command-` behaves oddly in v.5.0. Why?

If one has several Safari windows open at once, one can one-by-one "flip through" them by pressing Command-` (backward-accent/tilde), in turn bringing each new window to the front.

In earlier versions of Safari, Command-` behaves in a very predictable and useful way -- it rotated through all the windows unidirectionally if you keep pressing. So, for example, if you had 7 windows open at once, and kept pressing Command-`, you would first see page 1, then page 2, then page 3, etc., up through page 7, and from page 7 then you would keep going "forward" to page 1 again. The windows would go in a cycle. +This would remain constant even if you closed windows once you arrived at them.+

That's the way it always has been (in my memory), and the way I like it.

HOWEVER, I now have Safari 5.0 with 10.6.4, and it behaves differently! And not at all to my liking.

Instead of rotating through all the windows in order, Command-` now "bounces" back and forth in its direction if you perform any action to any window.

So, for example, now if you have 7 pages open, and want to rotate through them all to see what they are, and if unwanted, close them, the following strange and ANNOYING behavior happens as you repeatedly press "Command-`":

If you're on page 1, you then go to page 2, then page 3 -- and then if you close page 3, and press Command-` again, you DON'T go to page 4, but rather back to page 2 again, then page 1, then page 7 -- and if you close page 7, you then bounce back to page 1, page 2, etc.

This also happens if you do ANY action to the top page -- move its location, enter text in a field, close it, whatever.

Why does Safari do this now? It's totally counter-intuitive and incredibly bothersome, because it's no longer a simple task to flip through all open windows and close the unnecessary ones. Instead, one constantly is bouncing backwards and forwards like one is in a rubber room. And I end up feeling like I'm in a rubber room.

Has anyone else noticed this new manner of Safari behavior? And if so (and most importantly): *Is there any way to change it back to the way it used to be?*

This is important to me because I dislike using tabs and I often have several windows open for a project, which I then often want to (mostly) close and start a new project, etc. I takes way too much time and confusion simply trying to see all open windows with the new behavior.

15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.3)

Posted on Jun 23, 2010 2:03 AM

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Jun 23, 2010 4:21 AM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

HI,

I'm running Safari 5 on v10.6.4 without any problems with Command ` cycling through open windows without Tabs.

Your profile indicates you are running v10.6.3. If that's the case, click the Apple Menu/Software Updates. If you are running v10.6.4, please click My Settings on the right side of this window and update your forum profile.

Try some suggestions and see if it makes a difference.

From the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari / Reset Safari. Select the top 7 buttons and click Reset. Relaunch Safari. If Command ` still doesn't cycle through open windows...

Go here for trouble shooting 3rd party plugins or input managers which might be causing the problem. Safari: Add-ons may cause Safari to unexpectedly quit or have performance issues

If third party add-on's aren't the issue, go to the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari/Preferences. Make note of all the preferences under each tab. Quit Safari. Now go to ~/Library/Preferences and move this file com.apple.safari.plist to the Desktop.

Relaunch Safari and see if that makes a difference. If not, move the .plist file back to the Preferences folder. If Command ~ works now, move that .plist file to the Trash.

And if you didn't repair disk permissions after the update(s) were installed, it would be beneficial to do that.



Launch Disk Utility. (Applications/Utilities) Select MacintoshHD in the panel on the left, select the FirstAid tab. Click: Repair Disk Permissions. When it's finished from the Menu Bar, Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac. If you see a long list of "messages" in the permissions window, it's ok. That can be ignored. As long as you see, "Permissions Repair Complete" when it's finished... you're done. Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac.

Hope something helped...





Carolyn 🙂

Jun 23, 2010 10:35 AM in response to Carolyn Samit

I am running 10.6.4. It's just that when I fist updated it (on the first day it was available), Apple had not yet added 10.6.4 to the Forum settings. But now it's there and I have updated it in my profile.

Before I do any of your suggested fixes, I would need to know that the behavior my Safari is exhibiting is abnormal. Because I think that nothing is "wrong" with my Safari -- I think this new behavior is built-in and it is the way it's supposed to be. So that all the fixes in the world won't change anything.

So, what I'd really like to see is a report from someone --anyone -- that Safari 5.0 behaves the same way for them, or differently for them.

I just did a test myself and it took exactly one minute. Can someone do it for me and report back?

Here's the simple test:

"Minimize" all your existing Safari windows to get them out of the way.
Open a new window, for example, a Google home page. Type in the number "1" in a text field.
Open a second Google (or whatever) page, type in a "2" in a text field.
Do this all the way up to 7 open pages.
Then start hitting "Command-`." If you just hit Command-` repeatedly and do nothing else, you will indeed rotate through the windows like so: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1-7-6-5-4-3.....etc.

NOW HERE'S THE TEST. In the middle of this cycle, close window #4. What happens next to you? In the "old" Safari, you'd keep cycling backwards through the windows 3-2-1-7-6-5-3-2-1-7...etc.
But in Safari 5.0, this what happens to me: After closing window #4, I "bounce back" and now I'm heading in the opposite direction, so that after closing the window #4 it goes 5-6-7-1-2-3-5-6-7-1...etc.

Continue the test by now closing window #6 when you get back to it. Once again, you will "bounce" backwards. So that you will be going 1-2-3-5-6-[close window 6]-5-3-2-1-7-5-3...etc.!

Tell me: is that how Safari behaves for you? (Or anyone reading this?) If so, then my Safari isn't "broken," it's behaving exactly as it is designed to be behaving.

So if that is the case (which I suspect), then my question is not how to "fix" Safari, because fixing it won't alter the behavior, but rather: Are there are settings that can be changed or keyboard shortcuts altered or whatever that can restore the "old Safari" way of behaving?

Jun 23, 2010 2:42 PM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

Also, a related issue, not as important:

A new feature in Safari 5.0 is that when one clicks on a link on a Web page while holding down the Command key, it opens the new linked-to page behind the current window. In previous versions of Safari, when one clicked a link with the Command key held down, it opened a new window +on top of+ the current window.

Why the change? And is there any way to revert to the old behavior?

I don't mind this as much, but I thought I'd mention it because it may be related to the way the windows bounce back and forth while flipping through them (as described above).

Jun 28, 2010 2:18 AM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

Tuffy, you're not the only one experiencing this problem; it's been happening to me since I installed Snow Leopard and it drives me CRAZY! I've noticed it happens not only in Safari but also in Chrome and Firefox.

I did find one other mention of it, here: http://www.betalogue.com/2009/10/14/window-order/

I REALLY want to find a way to fix this, so I can go back to cycling through my windows in a logical order. Let me know if you find a solution.

Jun 28, 2010 11:47 AM in response to argylerobot

argylerobot:

Thanks for the reply. Well, if you're also experiencing the exact same window behavior, then it must be a built-in standard feature, and not some malfunctioning problem with my Safari.

I see that the blog post in the link you posted describes the exact same problem, and the author is none too pleased.

Anybody else have their "Command-`" cycle through windows with the bounce-back behavior? And if so, ever find a way to "fix" this new feature?

The author in the link says,

+"Maybe someone at Apple would argue that this is a feature and not a bug. I don’t know. I fail to see how clicking on a window that is already in the foreground indicates in any way that I want to change the order of the windows in my application.+
...

+But I highly doubt that it’s intentional. I am pretty much convinced that it is a bug, because “Cycle Through Windows” is probably not an important command for most Apple engineers, and they probably broke this thing without realizing it.+

+So I am filing a bug report. And if it bothers you as much as it bothers me, I strongly urge you to do the same."+

Should I file a bug report too?

Jun 28, 2010 9:04 PM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

I've been experiencing this maddening wackiness as well! I've resorted to opening the Windows drop down menu, then one by one, click on each window, in order to see all the tabs that are open. If I use the keyboard shortcut, invariably, it will bounce back & forth between two, three, sometimes maybe four windows, & not go anywhere else. It will break that loop, if you hold the top key, instead of just pressing & releasing it. However, it's not very controllable, but will bust out of the loop, so you at least end up on a new window, & with luck hit some others, before hitting a previous one, it's really a mess....

It does the same thing when I try to scroll through Stickies as well, it will just bounce between two or three windows....

Jul 1, 2010 1:00 AM in response to Saxman

I've just discovered that this same behavior now happens in other Apple applications too -- for example Preview, which will go in a "cycle" through several open windows unless one moves a window or closes a window, in which case the cycle will "bounce" and start going the other direction.

It probably happens in other Apple applications now too, but I'm too afraid to look.

***??? It's really beginning to seem like this is a new feature, not a bug.

But why? Why change a reliable and useful behavior to be much worse? Makes no sense.

Anybody else notice this, and find it disturbing? What can be done to "fix" it?

Jul 1, 2010 4:38 AM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

I've been having trouble with Safari for the past few months, too, but mainly with freezing and crashings. Mine is behaving better now, and I think it was related to the Conduit-based toolbars which various sites and programs want one to install. When I uninstalled them, the spinning balls quit occurring for the most part. However, my Safari 5 behaves just as did my Safari 4 in terms of cycling through windows--they cycle in order and don't "bounce" around as you describe.

Actually, I like new windows to open behind my current window, too, which is the default behavior in Firefox. However, I think if you tweak the Safari Preferences settings under the Safari Menu (Cmd-,) and click on the Tabs icon, you will find some boxes to check which will address the activity of the page upon opening. You can change your action, I believe. I don't know if this will affect your window cycling toggling problem, which I am not experiencing.

Nov 24, 2010 11:28 AM in response to Tuffy Nicolas

I was so thrilled to find this topic, hoping that there would be an easy fix! Well, I have the same problem with the windows in Safari 5.0. I much prefer the old version where the windows were cycled through in a predictable way. This new version is crazy. Hard to believe someone thought of it as an improvement. I don't at all believe this is a "bug" like some folks have written in this forum... If there is a way to get Safari 5.0 to behave as it did in the older version in cycling through the windows, I also would love to know...

Rotating thru Safari windows with Command-` behaves oddly in v.5.0. Why?

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