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Note Names for Drums.

Can someone help me do something SIMPLE?

All is want to do is to be able to SEE standard drum kit and Orchestra Drum kit Note names
super-imposed upon the keyboard in the Piano Roll window.

I don't want to create a sophisticated mapped instrument (unless I have to). I tried to create a mapped instrument and instead of having a "Core Audio" port (like I desired) it had an "all" port.
And no sound came out.

Can any when help me make logic work as well as Opcode's Studio Vision when it comes to note names appearing in Piano Roll window?

Thanks

17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Jun 25, 2010 7:04 AM

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Jun 25, 2010 8:49 AM in response to CRB

All is want to do is to be able to SEE standard drum kit and Orchestra Drum kit Note names
super-imposed upon the keyboard in the Piano Roll window.


Then you'll need to use a different DAW, Logic does not do this.

Or use the Hyper editor, which was designed for drum and CC editing and displays all the note names and has drum-orientated features the piano roll can't do such as independent quantisation/grids and thickness for each note and mutually-exclusive groups.

You could also use an event list or floating event list to show you note names, or even rig up some environment solution.

Jun 25, 2010 9:04 AM in response to Bee Jay

Hi

CRB wrote:
All is want to do is to be able to SEE standard drum kit and Orchestra Drum kit Note names
super-imposed upon the keyboard in the Piano Roll window.
I don't want to create a sophisticated mapped instrument (unless I have to). I tried to create a mapped instrument and instead of having a "Core Audio" port (like I desired) it had an "all" port.
And no sound came out.


and

Bee Jay wrote:
Then you'll need to use a different DAW, Logic does not do this.


Logic WILL kind of do this, but you do have to do some Environment trickery involving a Mapped Instrument. Unfortunately, it will NOT show ALL the names of all the drum voices 😟


In the Environment, create a mapped instrument (and edit all the sound names to suit, or download mapped instruments that have already been done for you).

Cable this mapped instrument to the Instrument channel strip (remove channel settings when the alert box pops up).

Route the Arrange track to this Mapped Instrument (several ways to do this: drag n drop, the MIDI Thru tool, or from the drop down menu when you control click on the track header in the arrange).


Hyper Edit is a much better way to go!


HTH

CCT

Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM in response to CRB

CRB wrote:
I tried to create a mapped instrument and instead of having a "Core Audio" port (like I desired) it had an "all" port.

You can click and hold your mouse in the Mapped Instrument Port setting and choose any external physical midi port(s) which are available in your equipment.
If you do not want to use external midi device and want to use the Mapped Instrument with some Software Instruments then you must set the Port setting to "Off" and patch cable(s) to the Software Instrument instance(s). Note the Mapped Instrument has a special column (Cables) where you can map a given Note to which cable to be output. This is very useful if what to use different Software Instruments which are loaded with different Drum sets etc.
The Mapped Instrument is a very powerful "Ultra Transformer" and it is unique around the DAWs ! Some day I intend to show some videos of its very extra Environment features...
In other words if you combine it with Hyper Edit (inc Hyper Sets) and some other editors as Bee Jay explained very well in the previous post, you will have a powerful Drum editing equipment.

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Jun 25, 2010 10:57 AM in response to CCTM

Logic WILL kind of do this, but you do have to do some Environment trickery


I had a nagging feeling, so I just checked this to be sure - and LP9 DOES display mapped instrument names on the keys in the piano roll. Not all of them though, for some reason.

I have a feeling it's been like this for a while, but it's not a feature I use much.

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But as the hyper editor is designed for this task. I think many people are put off using the hyper editor because it looks complex or requires a small amount of setting it (which itself can be done really quickly, there are various automatic tools for doing this) and they would like to stick to the piano roll for simplicity, and then complain it doesn't have more advanced functions.

The Hyper editor is effectively the piano roll optimised for drum and CC editing. And it will display whatever names you want, and ignore notes that aren't in your drum set - it's very cool. I've been using it for drum programming since Creator/Notator...

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Jun 25, 2010 11:59 AM in response to Bee Jay

Bee Jay wrote:
Logic WILL kind of do this, but you do have to do some Environment trickery


I had a nagging feeling, so I just checked this to be sure - and LP9 DOES display mapped instrument names on the keys in the piano roll. Not all of them though, for some reason.

I have a feeling it's been like this for a while, but it's not a feature I use much.




Likewise... so near yet so far 😉

But as the hyper editor is designed for this task. I think many people are put off using the hyper editor because it looks complex or requires a small amount of setting it (which itself can be done really quickly, there are various automatic tools for doing this) and they would like to stick to the piano roll for simplicity, and then complain it doesn't have more advanced functions.

The Hyper editor is effectively the piano roll optimised for drum and CC editing. And it will display whatever names you want, and ignore notes that aren't in your drum set - it's very cool. I've been using it for drum programming since Creator/Notator...




Agreed.....and likewise, I too have used it extensively since Notator... HyperEdit is the way to go 🙂

In case it is of interest, if a Mapped Instrument is set up as described, and notes entered into a region, HyperEdit will automatically NAME all the sounds when creating a HyperSet.




CCT

Jun 25, 2010 4:45 PM in response to CCTM

CCTM wrote:
In case it is of interest, if a Mapped Instrument is set up as described, and notes entered into a region, HyperEdit will automatically NAME all the sounds when creating a HyperSet.


Definitely !

+1

You had to bold that text cause I guess it will be useful for many guys here!

The combination of the Mapped Instrument and the Hyper Edit is rock solid...
Using that, the names are shown in the Event list (100%), Piano Roll (say 50%), and the Hyper Edit (100%).
Note: The Event Float can be opened and placed over the Piano Roll, so when select a note in the Piano Roll, it will show that note with the exact name like the Event List - which is a helpful tool as well.
Apart of the note names mapping, the Mapped Instrument gives the very powerful Environment ability to create unique midi routings, for say drum patch layering, channelizing, custom velocity, custom cable routings ( where you can play/combine different drum sounds from say Acoustic, Analog, Electric Drum Sets loaded in different Software Instruments etc, while the Hyper Edit brings sophisticated features specially for drum editing, event conversion plus Hyper Sets management between different projects.

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