If 'Live Updating' is not checked, when do smart playlists update?

I always check 'live updating' box when I create smart playlists, however I was wondering when do smart playlists update that don't have that box checked. Only when created? Or there is another time or event that eventually causes them to update?

Posted on Feb 4, 2019 7:36 AM

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Feb 8, 2019 7:27 AM in response to turingtest2

Thanks for the reply, but after posting the question I tested it and it does update somehow. That is what I suspected would happen. I hadn't tried it in a long time but I seemed to recall that they would update on their own. I have a smart playlist that selects songs based on last played date and after playing the playlist it did not update immediately, as one would expect, however now looking at the playlist days later it has updated and contains songs whose last played date matches the criteria. I haven't restarted iTunes, so there must be something that triggers a refresh. Maybe just the act of clicking on it to view it does the trick.


I am now curious to know if one was to sync this to your iphone if it would also update on its own when sync'ed.

Feb 9, 2019 10:27 AM in response to turingtest2

Nope, don't use either of those. I am going to continue to try some things, as it appears there's no definition of this behavior in any iTunes documentation I can find. Right now I do know that a smart playlist without live updating checked still does update if the original songs it in no longer meet the filter criteria. It may be that if you define a smart playlist and filter on things that don't normally change, unlike last played and play count, maybe it never updates on its own.


I assume anyone will see this behavior (on Windows at least). If you create a smart playlist, filter on a couple things including last date played not in the last 1 month, for example, then play the playlist. Unlike one with live updating checked, as you play the playlist it will NOT update as you would expect since live updating is not selected. It also doesn't update if you exit the playlist and then view it again immediately. However, after a certain (unknown) amount of time, you view it again and it will update to songs that haven't been played. In my case I checked the next day and it had updated. Maybe the date change is what does it. I will have to try this again right around midnight and see if that's the trigger. I'll add that during that time I did not restart iTunes or my computer, I do know that simply restarting iTunes is not the trigger (I tried it).


It just seems odd there's no documentation on this behavior. The help page for smart playlists is very basic. This is obviously not really a problem, just a curiosity. I am pretty surprised if I am the first one to wonder about this, however.

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