Any way to use a Mac without iCloud ?

Sir, I was just ribbing you regarding your "child like" remark. And, yes, I do know what is out there. Like you and others here, I am a longtime Macintosh computer user -- 29 years in fact. As I mentioned to you earlier, we each have our personal preferences regarding hardware and software. It just seems a bit comical to some of us here that you dis the macOS so much, and tell us why you hate it and want to change it, and point us to other non-Apple products, and then you turn around and tell us that you use Macs and the macOS because it "is more stable, more robust, better displays and runs Adobe software better than anything else." You certainly seem to have a love/hate relationship with your Macs. :)

I'm probably going to regret this but what is the issue you are having with iCloud? I am signed into it on 5 Macs, 4 iPads and an iPhone and have not had any issues, so of course I am curious. I also have Google so am curious what you see as the difference.

I used to despise Google but since working for them for the past year 
I've lightened up about the security of my info and integrity of their 
storage

I see.

I do not use anything Google. Why? Because I do not agree with their corporate/business policies. I do not do business with anyone making money solely based on advertising and exploiting unsuspecting and uninformed users' information (I do not use Facebook either). I may possibly consider it if it were to be offered as a paid service without revealing any information about any user.

Some of their terms:

https://policies.google.com/privacy

(you might want to suggest to your employer that not everyone reading those terms is a child; I am quite capable of reading legalese without all the cute child-like pictograms).

https://policies.google.com/terms

I think any politician would be quite elated with a 90% approval rating. :)

You are "more or less an Mac evangelist"? Well, let me respond to your comment this way: If I were a newcomer to these forums, and also a potential Macintosh purchaser, if I were to read all of your previous comments, I would really have second thoughts about buying a Mac. You do more to shoot down Apple and Macs, and to raise up Google and Google products. As Jesus taught, a tree is known by its fruits.

I see no need for you to apologize to anyone here. I really don't think that anyone has taken offense to any of your comments. Personally, I don't. I just find them a bit entertaining/amusing because you are like a guy who loves and hates his wife at the same time. :)

New to Mac

Okay, it is your device.

I would ask why you even use a Mac but I'm sure I wouldn't understand it.

Ha, dialabrain! I was very tempted to say something similar, but out of kindness I refrained myself. :)

Well you may have me there, I don't know the difference between being more stable and more robust.

Ha, dialabrain! I was very tempted to say something similar, but out of kindness I refrained myself. :)

😎

Ha! Agreed! If it is that "painful" for him, and such a hassle for him, to use an Apple product, why does he even do it? Reminds me of a Roman Catholic monk striking his back. :)

You seem to be confusing your opinion with "better".

Well I was a Microsoft developer for 10 years - I know better when I see it.

Of course you do.

Alas, the truth is finally revealed: "I used to despise Google but since working for them for the past year." That explains a lot. :)

So you claim to be a Mac Evangelist, yet much of this thread amounts to a free ad for Google, Google products and Google services. Right. I think I am done posting here.