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  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6 (17,740 points)
    Dan Slocum wrote:
    Blah blah blah. The phone will have to be fixed. The rest is noise. A lot of it FROM you.

    Is that the best you can come up with - does it impress your herd? Noise? That's a laugh coming from you. About a 3rd of the posts in this forum complaining about the "antenna" come from you and your buddy. The only thing you want is to bully everyone into joining in. You have no clue what I'm saying,
  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6 (17,740 points)
    The FIX?

    The fix, as I and others have been saying, is to insulate the antenna with a coating or a free case. Even CU stated that putting some duct tape over the lower left corner fixed the issue in their test.
  • MrCourtney Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Spoken like a true engineer - one would imagine Apple did these sorts of tests but how they work in the chamber doesn't really matter if the phone doesn't work when it's in the hands of the consumers.


    No one is arguing that point. But if your don't do meaningful tests to get a baseline, all the problems later just leave the engineers scrambling to determine the problem. Again, we're talking problem, not symptom.
    Be glad they tested your car before it was put on the market. Same thing.

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  • Dan Slocum Level 2 Level 2 (285 points)
    modular747 wrote:
    The FIX?

    The fix, as I and others have been saying, is to insulate the antenna with a coating or a free case. Even CU stated that putting some duct tape over the lower left corner fixed the issue in their test.



    Good stuff. I believe you. I don't doubt you. But how can we get the fix from Apple if we don't speak up? I'm a reporter by trade. I believe in speaking UP!,,
  • MrCourtney Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I'm a reporter by trade. I believe in speaking UP!,,


    Yipes. I hope your not basing any factual article on some of the stuff spewing forth here
  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6 (17,740 points)
    Speaking up is great, as long as you don't come off as a one note blowhard...
  • Stevenam81 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    modular747 wrote:
    If you read some other threads, I discussed the anandteck tests, more than week ago. The weakness of that test is that it relies on the iPhone's own internal measurement of signal strength which may very well be inaccurate. The CU and other test proposed use an external measurement of signal strength in isolated conditions.


    Yes, and I'm sure I made a few posts in those threads. I will say that I have to agree with you about the test relying on the iPhone's measurement of signal strength. But, all this would change is the exact loss of db. Maybe it isn't 24, but 25, 22, or 23. There is obviously and most definitely a loss though. A pretty easy test is to use the phone with and without a bumper. I finally bought a bumper on Friday. Since then I can hold the phone however I want without dropping calls. Sure I still lose a bar or two when holding the phone around the bottom, just like with any other phone, but I don't lose signal completely like I do without the bumper.

    This is why I got so frustrated when I read that statement from Apple. Yes the so called "deathgrip" affects all phones. In my opinion, that isn't the issue. In my own personal experience, it was making a connection between the two antennas that caused my calls to drop within seconds. I felt that Apple never actually addressed the issue at hand, which I believe to be the external antenna.
  • Dan Slocum Level 2 Level 2 (285 points)
    modular747 wrote:
    Speaking up is great, as long as you don't come off as a one note blowhard...



    sorry. That's truly not my intention. I just want to let people know what is being said publicly (outside the forum walls) about this. That's all really. I apologize if I've offended. That is not my goal.
  • MrCourtney Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Speaking up is great, as long as you don't come off as a one note blowhard


    Agreed. There is a big difference between someone factually and diplomatically presenting their side of an issue - and the nut job standing on the corner yelling their point of view.
    'nough said.
  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6 (17,740 points)
    Yes, Apple's nonsensical party line about the "bars" didn't impress.
  • Dan Slocum Level 2 Level 2 (285 points)
    MrCourtney wrote:
    Speaking up is great, as long as you don't come off as a one note blowhard


    Agreed. There is a big difference between someone factually and diplomatically presenting their side of an issue - and the nut job standing on the corner yelling their point of view.
    'nough said.


    sorry to you as well. I did not mean to offend.
  • modular747 Level 6 Level 6 (17,740 points)
    No personal offense taken. Keeping the discussion factual and informative will have much greater effect (and not get deleted).
  • MrCourtney Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    sorry to you as well. I did not mean to offend


    No apology needed. I wasn't offended. I wasn't accusing you of being a nut-job. Your posts were passionate but civil. Good for you.
  • Bostonimann Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
    What you read about the CR test was a blog post in simple English meant for average consumers and not engineers. The thought that the most highly respected consumer testing magazine who is always known for hiring top engineers would not know how to test phones is, candidly, silly. I am sure that was a lot more science around their tests than the blog post they offered suggested.

    I suspect if CR had determined that there was not a problem, the folks on this forum who protest the engineering methods would be hailing CR as accurate and comprehensive in their testing methodology.

    And, as I have noted, I am a loyal Apple customer.
  • Zebra1 Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)
    You mean you didn't just put tape there as the CR weasel suggested?