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Can't change column width from Pages template

Wow, I thought I was a full-on Pages expert (I actually teach it to others!), but this one has me baffled.


I'm creating a new doc based from a Pages (v8.0 -6194) "Informal Resume" template, and can not widen the column width of the main body. The header width is fine, and I can adjust that as normal to any width. But the body column seems tied to the header width, about 1.5" less on the right side.


I've looked through every feature I know. The page size, etc. The column is set to 1, and 5.9722" and can not be changed.


Are built-in templates a different kind of page that has things that can't be altered?

Posted on Jun 21, 2019 6:20 AM

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Posted on Jun 22, 2019 1:49 PM

Hi braintoniq,


"Still open to ideas! If I were forced to bet money, I'd say that there is something odd about the original design of some of these Templates. And I could be completely wrong! "


Having done a bit more 'hands on' with it, I agree—there is a bug (or a spanner in the works).


And it's been there since the beginning, I suspect. My copy of the template (in Pages 5.6.2, part of the first post '09 full version 'up'grade) demonstrates that behaviour as well.


I suspect the fix is to recreate the 'Informal resume' from a 'blank' document, then save it as a template (with a slight change of name). The new one would then appear in the My Templates section of the Template chooser.


A bug report to Apple via Provide Pages Feedback (in the Pages menu) is in order.


Considering the bug has apparently been there since the beginning of the 'new' Pages,though, I would suspect it has been reported at least a few times in the past eight(?) years.


Regards,

Barry


PS: Thanks, Ian, for taking 'A Closer Look',

B.



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Jun 22, 2019 1:49 PM in response to braintoniq

Hi braintoniq,


"Still open to ideas! If I were forced to bet money, I'd say that there is something odd about the original design of some of these Templates. And I could be completely wrong! "


Having done a bit more 'hands on' with it, I agree—there is a bug (or a spanner in the works).


And it's been there since the beginning, I suspect. My copy of the template (in Pages 5.6.2, part of the first post '09 full version 'up'grade) demonstrates that behaviour as well.


I suspect the fix is to recreate the 'Informal resume' from a 'blank' document, then save it as a template (with a slight change of name). The new one would then appear in the My Templates section of the Template chooser.


A bug report to Apple via Provide Pages Feedback (in the Pages menu) is in order.


Considering the bug has apparently been there since the beginning of the 'new' Pages,though, I would suspect it has been reported at least a few times in the past eight(?) years.


Regards,

Barry


PS: Thanks, Ian, for taking 'A Closer Look',

B.



Jun 21, 2019 4:12 PM in response to braintoniq

"Been trying that. Currently, the margin is set to 0 in the main text panel, and it still won't go over any further. Oddly, if I adjust the right margin of the header margin, then the document margin moves with it. "


According to the Document Inspector panel in your screenshot, the Document margins are set to 0.3in on the left and 0in on the right.


Document margins apply to all pages of the document, and mark the minimum distance between text (and to Objects set to Move with Text) and the edge of the page.


Layout Margins, set in the Ruler, may be controlled by placing a margin stop on or inside the document margins, but not outside them.


In your screenshot you can see a right margin stop (downward pointing blue triangle) at approximately 7.96 inches, and a similar marker placed art 0.3 inches. Similar, but not identical, as this one is actually TWO left margin stops. The triangular part at the bottom is the regular left margin stop, which applies to all lines in a paragraph except the first. The rectangular part sitting atop the triangle is the First Line left margin stop. If the left margin stop is moved (by dragging it with the mouse), the first line left margin stop moves with it; but if the first line left margin stop is moved, it does not affect the position of the left margin stop, allowing you to set an indent for the first line by placing the rectangular part to the right of the regular stop, or a hanging indent by dragging the rectangular part left from the regular stop.


Three examples:

First three 'paragraphs' selected, Left and right margin stops at document margins. First line left margin stop moved to right of left margin stop: two pairs of returns were then inserted to split this block into three shorter 'paragraphs'. Result: Indented first line. Setting carried into the new paragraphs created from the initial paragraph.


Insertion point placed in second 'paragraph'. Left margin stop dragged right to former position of first line left stop. First line left stop then dragged left, past the left margin stop to Document left margin location ( 1 in). Result is hanging indent on this paragraph. Setting is not carried to the following paragraph, created before this setting was made.


Insertion point placed in third 'paragraph'. First line left stop dragged to position atop left margin stop, then both stops moved (by dragging the left margin stop) to document margin, removing the hanging indent.


Margin stops in the ruler do not control the positions or size of the three fields in the Page Header (or Footer). the external left and right extents are set automatically to match the Document margin settings, and can be seen below, where the three 'paragraphs' have been selected, and the right margin has been moved leftward.



In the Informal Resume template supplied with an earlier version of Pages (5.6.2), your name is contained in a field that gets you name from the "My card" you set up in Contacts.

Hello is in a text box, as is your phone, address and URL information near the bottom of the page.

As can be seen in the screen shot below, the Header fields are NOT used, and the left and right ends of the header area extend to the document margins set in the Inspector. The same is true of the unused Footer fields (not shown in the screen shot.

For a similar view of this template (or any document in Pages on your Mac), do the following:

  • In the View menu, SHOW Rulers, Layout, and Invisibles.
  • Click to select (once on the first, then command click on the other two) Hello box, box to the left of Hello, PHONE at the bottom.

Text in the main body is all placeholder text that will disappear when you start entering your text in each paragraph or heading.


Regards,

Barry

Jun 21, 2019 11:01 PM in response to braintoniq

"My solution was simply to create a whole new doc and copy/paste over some of the design ideas to it."


Sounds like a workable solution.


"From what I can gather, that right margin in that particular odd template still won't move, correct?"


Incorrect, I would think.


The Document right margin position is controlled by the right margin setting in the Document Inspector, open to the right of the document page in your posted image. Increasing the value in the box (which shows 0in in the screen shot) will move the Document Margin further from the right edge of the paper.


The Right Layout Margin is controlled by the Right Margin Stop—The blue triangle just to the left of 7 in the ruler in your screenshot:

This margin position is controlled by dragging the blue triangle to the left or right. The Layout margin cannot be set further to the right than the Document margin.


Regards,

Barry


Jun 22, 2019 4:56 AM in response to braintoniq

Hi braintoniq,



braintoniq wrote:

From what I can gather, that right margin in that particular odd template still won't move, correct? It certainly isn't in my version, even after doing all of the above. Same with trying to change the Layout: Column size (stuck at 5.7722 inches). I can type 6 or any number in it, but it reverts back.

I'm thinking that this particular Template was built not as a normal Pages doc and doesn't obey normal rules. My solution was simply to create a whole new doc and copy/paste over some of the design ideas to it.

I agree. There is something strange with the Informal Resume template (and some other Resume templates!)

With Document Panel > Document Tab > Document Margins and the Right margin set to "0 in" I can not drag the right Layout Margin to the right of 7 inches on the ruler. That is with A4 paper size.



With US Letter paper size, I can make it just past the 7 inch mark on the ruler, but no further.



braintoniq wrote:
to create a whole new doc and copy/paste over some of the design ideas to it.

Good move!


Regards,

Ian.

Jun 22, 2019 5:36 AM in response to Barry

Here's another image that shows the Document Margins settings. It believes that 0" is at the ≈7" mark. I can manually slide that Right Margin Stop no further than that 7" place; I can move it to the left anywhere, but it stops in its tracks at the 7" place.


The Left Margin can be moved all over tarnation, all the way to its true 0" or anywhere else. It's only this left Right Margin Stop that will not go to the true right edge of the page.


Page Orientation shows that this "US Letter" is a proper 8.5x11. That should mean that 8.5" is the true 0" Right Document Margin.


Still open to ideas! If I were forced to bet money, I'd say that there is something odd about the original design of some of these Templates. And I could be completely wrong!


Barry, you rock for all this help. Thank you.

Jun 21, 2019 6:33 PM in response to Barry

Phenomenal reply, Barry. Thank you.


I think I grasped all that. From what I can gather, that right margin in that particular odd template still won't move, correct? It certainly isn't in my version, even after doing all of the above. Same with trying to change the Layout: Column size (stuck at 5.7722 inches). I can type 6 or any number in it, but it reverts back.


I'm thinking that this particular Template was built not as a normal Pages doc and doesn't obey normal rules. My solution was simply to create a whole new doc and copy/paste over some of the design ideas to it.

Can't change column width from Pages template

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