Finder "name matches"

When searching with the Finder there is "Name matches …".

What are the criteria used by the Finder to match a name?


E.g. just now I searched for "membership", and the Finder returned 2750 items, most of which have names nowhere near resembling "membership". (see screenshot)



I know of course that I can use "name contains membership", but that's not the issue; I would like to know how the Finder decides to include a file in the search result if I simply type the search term in the find box.

Posted on Jul 18, 2019 1:23 AM

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Posted on Jul 18, 2019 8:36 AM

As a little addition to what VikingOSX already said:


You are NOT searching by name in this circumstance.

The line that reads "name matches: membership" won't actually be your search unless you click it.



then it will look like this:



NOW you are searching by name.

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Jul 18, 2019 4:08 AM in response to RobertCailliau

If you want to match a partial or full filename string, use the Spotlight name operator:


name:membership


If you want to search all of your selected Spotlight Search Results categories for the string "membership" — and expect a ton of results because it looks inside documents, as well as filename strings, then do not use the name operator.


You can also narrow your search further by using the kind operator with the name operator. If I wanted to find all PDF documents whose name may contain "membership":


kind:pdf AND name:membership



Jul 18, 2019 4:52 PM in response to RobertCailliau

Well, you reference your screen shot as an example of it returning 2750 items, however, it also shows you haven’t selected the “Name Matches” search token, so it is searching for “membership” everywhere in the file including name, contents, and metadata.

It is not showing that as what it is using, but an option you can choose from.


To answer your question i would have to get back to my Mac, but what I would suspect is “matches has to contain the search term that stands alone ( a word). “Contains” can match the term anywhere found, such as “house” in “boathouse.”

Jul 19, 2019 6:17 AM in response to RobertCailliau

The screenshot explicitly shows what the Finder says to me it is doing:

You do not understand how it works, then.

When you type in a term, it will offer up as many search tokens as it can apply to the term. You must pick one of them if you want to filter the results by that token.

it is telling me explicitly it is matching names

It is not telling you that at all. It is offering a way to narrow down the results. You haven't chosen it.

PS: these days, when I ask someone how a gadget works, the response I get is how to operate it.

Perhaps that is because you often demonstrate that you do not know how to operate it, regardless of how it works.


You can also ask Finder to Find by Name by using cmd-ctrl-****-F. You can add a more useable shortcut in Keyboard System Preferences.

Jul 18, 2019 11:04 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

OK.

Sigh.

None of you have even tried to answer the question. Instead you have tried to give me alternative ways of finding what I might want to find. I know how to do that. Especially, indeed, BDAqua, and thanks, "Find Any File" is a much better solution than the FInder, or Spotlight (which never finds anything I'm asking for), and I have been running Find Any File for a long time.


My question was: does anyone know what the Finder's criteria are? (I put that in italics).

So what does the Finder think the semantics of the word "matches" are? What does the word "matches" mean to the Finder?

I have asked this question before, without getting any response, so at least thank you this time for responding.

Jul 18, 2019 2:22 PM in response to BDAqua

(we're off-topic now, but it's interesting anyway)

10.4, unless I have it wrong, had one "feature" foreshadowing the future: they removed the possibility to set the region parameters independently. I.e. you could only choose a region, and then you got the lot of that region. For example, if you chose anything that included English, you had to live with the comma as thousands separator. If you chose Switzerland you could not set the date format to YYYY-MM-DD, it had to by DD-MM-YY.

This caused discomfort to me for about two years, during which I had to carry the system preferences pane over from the previous version, overwriting parts of the official one, so that I could at least get what I needed. Fortunately later versions re-introduced the parameter independence.

I'm one of these "internationals": I use English all the time, but my currency is the Euro, I do everything in metric, my date/time format is ISO (YYYY-MM-DD and 24h clock) and to avoid all confusion between French, English and other number formats, I prefer the Swiss separator for thousands, which is the single quote (').

10.4, for all its other qualities, did not allow me to get that combination of parameters.

Obviously if you have spreadsheets etc., you don't want the operating system's inflexibilities to louse them up automatically at each update…

But the problem went away with Leopard.

Similar problems occur with certain apps: they just cannot imagine that one may want something more sophisticated than the "standard package".

I'm still treated badly by many websites: they detect that my IP number is in France and then insist on presenting their pages in French.

Living internationally is difficult: my phone often starts roaming because the signal from a nearby Swiss mast is stronger than that from the local, but further away French mast and conversely I sometimes stick onto the French GSM while in the middle of Geneva because its signal happens to be better. Sigh again.

Jul 18, 2019 11:34 PM in response to BDAqua

BDAqua:

As said, "unless I have it wrong": it may have been a different one to Tiger, but I do recall it was very uncomfortable, with many people in similar situations complaining to Apple about it. Then they put it back and it was OK again.


I have an anecdote of similar nature: in 2005 I bought a car with built-in navigation. The data were on CDROM. I wanted to go to a particular shop in Geneva. But there was a CD for France and a different one for Switzerland. There was NO WAY to navigate from one to the other, and no way to make a map of the region by combining parts of two. Essentially the system was useless to me where I live. To them it was the first time anyone complained "because here in Paris everyone is happy". Sure. They did refund the (then very expensive) option, and I bought a TomTom which covered all of Europe. Which of course had to be fixed to the dashboard and fed from the cigar lighter, but at least it worked.

Sigh.

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