The internet coverage is pretty spotty for Apple Pay

After trying to use ApplePay for a long time, I think I can say with confidence that it is not very useful in my locale.   I don’t live in the Bay Area, I live in the Sierra foothills, and very few companies accept Applepay, no filling stations do, and the internet coverage is pretty spotty.


The Apple paradigm is, I think, wrong.   Token Payments and Bank of America do virtual cards, but are not integrated with the browser and do not authenticate at time of use.  But, they have much better coverage.


What would be much more useful is an app which probes the environment and presents a full-blown ApplePay interface if one is possible, but falls back automatically to a Virtual card if not, and always does time-of-use authentication.



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Posted on Jul 25, 2019 3:58 PM

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Aug 1, 2019 3:56 PM in response to InSearchofApplePay

Apple Pay does NOT require an internet connection at the time of making a payment because payment information is stored on the device itself and biometric authentication also takes place on the device itself. I mention this since you complained of a spotty internet coverage in your area. An internet connection is only needed to do the initial setup by adding a card, but not while out and about making purchases. I think the problem in your area may not be Apple's fault but rather a poor implementation by some local merchants who are accepting Apple Pay by means of their app (which does require an internet connection) instead of over NFC by holding your device near a payment terminal (which would not require internet).

Aug 12, 2019 6:56 PM in response to InSearchofApplePay



InSearchofApplePay wrote:

My assumption now is that transactions are buffered in the iPhone and emptied to the card processor when an internet connection becomes available.    If that is not true, let me know.


Wrong assumption. No transaction information is stored on Apple devices. What is stored is only the device account number, which is basically a “card” number specifically assigned by the bank to the device to be used to make payments, which is different from the number on the original bank card for security. When making a purchase using apple pay at a brick and mortar store, the device account number is transmitted via NFC (a very short range radio signal) to the merchant’s terminal, which in turn will communicate with the card processor to authorize the transaction. Hence why the iphone or apple watch needs no internet connection: just as when using a regular card, payment authorization is being requested by the store’s system, not the iphone or watch.

Aug 4, 2019 11:34 AM in response to Luigi A

This is a great piece of information, and explains a lot about how ApplePay works.   It never occurred to me that the card guys would let somebody else store the transaction record.   My assumption now is that transactions are buffered in the iPhone and emptied to the card processor when an internet connection becomes available.    If that is not true, let me know.


This is a neat design, but it doesn’t seem to make a lot of difference in my situation.   What I need is a powerful incentive for local merchants to support ApplePay.  For local merchants, this means convincing them that biometric authentication is going to reduce the fraud chargeback that they are going to achieve with pin-and-card.  Otherwise, they are never going to move past chip-and-card.


For internet merchants, Apple needs to adapt to existing protocols.  Maybe they will be able to eventually move them to ApplePay.  But the gains from Virtual Card Numbers is so enormous that they need to grab it immediately.  The best is truly the mortal enemy of the good in this case.

Aug 15, 2019 9:26 AM in response to Luigi A

That is a whole lot more reasonable, I just couldn’t see the card guys letting transactions ride around in an iPhone, though I think that I have read that one “smart-phone”Pay does in fact do this.   In the model you just described, though, the iPhone is just a virtual card that can communicate with NFC,  and one with a biometric authentication system built in.




Which seems to have two advantages.  One, for the user, he can use a virtual wallet and never put his card into a device. And two, he can do a biometric authentication, which arguably is good for both the user and the card gods.




But I question whether the merchants in my area or on the internet have much motivation to support NFC.  They might, it may be very cheap or free when they go to chip card readers, and they ARE (slowly) adapting  to those.   Currently, for brick-and-mortar guys, you have to use signature authentication, the gas guys use your zip code, but internet merchants use nothing.   There is talk about going to PIN on everything.   But PIN’s are hard to remember and easy to hack.   A much more secure thing would be biometric authentication, but not everybody carries a smartphone, much less an iPhone.  Nevertheless, it seems to me that ApplePay might be a good thing at some point in the future, although it’s not very useful now.




However, I’m not convinced that it extends to the internet.  Another approach is to plug the internet hole with virtual card numbers when that is the best you can do.   Apple chose not to do this, but to use biometric authentication on all three.   A more useful approach might be for ApplePay to survey the resources available and adapt its strategy accordingly.   If the website takes ApplePay, use biometrics.  If not, use virtual card numbers.  By doing this, all the websites are open to you, not just the ones that have joined ApplePay.

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