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Catalina 3 volumes instead of 2?

I have 3 mount points and 3 harddrives displayed on the desktop.


The /Volumes/Macintosh HD - Data mount point seems wrong but am too afraid to remove the volume.

MacBook Air 13", macOS 10.15

Posted on Oct 25, 2019 9:45 PM

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Oct 26, 2019 12:12 PM in response to LD150

Thanks, several shutdown and reboot didn't do it for me. My ghost volume appeared after the following sequence


  • Single APFS volume for Mohave on 512GB 2014 MBA
  • Carved out 60GB for Bootcamp. Installed Win10
  • Split Mohave volume into 2 equal size. Installed Catalina on the new volume (APFS) I think this is when the ghost volume appeared.
  • Removed both Mohave and Catalina volume. Collapse back into a single volume (left bootcamp volume alone) Formatted APFS and reinstalled Catalina. Ghost volume still present.


I did all the Catalina installation from scratch because simple upgrade from Mohave totally kills performance for some reason where as fresh install and manually copy back my data does not. Strange. Posted that issue here


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250787284


BTW, since my ghost volume appears empty and unused. I unmapped it in DU (not in recovery) and didn't see any adverse effects so I just deleted the volume. Now everything is back to normal and hopefully stays that way.

Oct 26, 2019 10:56 AM in response to howardc6464

Yes something is akimbo with your installation.


The 2nd DATA volume has basically nothing in it


You can see if DiskUtility from Internet Recovery will let you delete it?

Recovery: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204904



You can always reformat the Parent drive and start over—wiping all data and partitions.

DU>View>Show All Devices



restore user data form a backup


3-2-1 Backup Strategy: three copies of your data, two different methods, and one offsite.


Boot clone https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-10081

How to use Time Machine to back up or restore your Mac: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201250

Use DiskUtility Restore feature https://support.apple.com/guide/disk-utility/restore-a-disk-dskutl14062/mac




Dec 9, 2019 10:19 PM in response to howardc6464

Found the solution. Looks like Catalina has some path that easily incurs permission problems. Here are a couple of posts that resolves the problem. Noting it here to assist someone in the future.


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250858918?answerId=251754921022#251754921022

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250858918?answerId=251765679022#251765679022

Nov 3, 2019 11:18 AM in response to leroydouglas

Fully on latest 10.15.1 Got into a state where basically can't access most files under home folder in some strange way. Even finder can't remove files or change file names under various folders including Desktop. My account (file owner) has read write permissions to all files/folders. But then a reboot made it all working perfectly again.


Catalina data volume split and per app folder access security maybe have some issues. Hope people don't lose data.


Nov 17, 2019 12:20 PM in response to howardc6464

howardc6464 wrote:

Every few days, my file system becomes problematic.

Finders can't move files between folders I own (all under my user Home) Reboot always get rid of the problem. Sounds like a tricky file system bug. Use the Macbook Air few hours daily. On 10.15.1



If this were my drive and my data— I would reformat the parent drive from Internet Recovery, reinstall the macOS, and restore my user data from a known good backup.


Your system is compromised as is.

Dec 5, 2019 2:41 PM in response to leroydouglas

Did the following, still no dice


Test 1


Backed up via Time Machine

Reformatted internal SSD's non bootcamp partition as APFS

Network Recovery to 10.15.1 with restoring from Time Machine

Still get unable to access my user files after awhile. Reboot always fixes it.


Test 2


Copied user files to external USB drive formatted as HFS+

Wiped the entire internal SSD including bootcamp and format single partition as APFS

Network Recovery to 10.15.1 and setup a new user account

Copied backed up user files from external USB HFS+ to new user account

Still get unable to access my user files after awhile. Reboot always fixes it.


Seems only possibility left are failing SSD or Catalina bug. I guess I can do Test 2 and go back to Mojave to see if problem goes away. That would isolate HW vs Catalina.


Catalina 3 volumes instead of 2?

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