MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

same here

i sendet all that infos with the capturing Program and then no one called anymore or wrote me an email.

i asked a few time vie Mail but no one respondent any more. 3 days in a row i was talking everyday with a friendly Person who tried everything even with Remote Desktop

I am not sure if you noticed, but the original poster (and others) have been already in lengthy discussion with Apple representatives, and it seems like their case isn't responded to any more.

Anyway, it is sad to see such issue and to be honest, if it is not a software issue that can be solved with a firmware upgrade through an OS update patch, it is unlikely to be solved any soon.

I am personally waiting for the replacement to arrive (will be the third machine I try) to try it out and my hopes are totally down. If it is true and the issue persisted on the third machine, like many others, I will return it and stick with my 2017 model till new model release to see if it is any better

Wanted to share something interesting I've found on youtube. While researching alternatives to MBP16" I've come across this video of Razer Blade 15 (9750H, same CPU, but paried with GTX1660Ti instead of Radeon) interacting with an external monitor.

It looks (and sounds) like exactly the same issue, see for yourself: https://youtu.be/IRViiPj5cDM

I guess it just proves that we're at the very limits of thermal performance for laptop chassis, until Intel (or AMD) get their act together.

Both Blade and base MBP16 have similar specs (6core Intel + comparable GPUs) and a similar cooling solution (dual fans fed by heatpipes), and, unfortunately, I don't think you can affect thermodynamics with US dollars or Apple's infamous reality distortion field.

Jokes and pricepoints aside, I wish designers would just make laptops thicker to allow for a better cooling solution. This 16" incher is already not that portable, adding a bit of thickness would not be the end of the world.

i have to wait now 2-3 week for a new MacBook. Lets see. may my Mac is a faulty one.

I also ordered an external eGPU from Apple. May it will help a little bit. I use mainly Logic and ProTools.

I also found out, that my Macbook is running a little bit cooler (around 3-5%), when I do not plug in the Powercable direct to the Mac. I put before an hub, that gets real hot but it works a little bit.

ill keep you all informed.

sorry for my English

I do understand that the heat of the process isn’t solvable just because of a more pricy machine; but I do understand that a higher price sets pr for acceptance criteria; and if the heat isn’t solvable, the noise level should be; I am not hardware engineer myself; but I am talking from a consumer point of view, there is no point of paying extra $ if I am not getting anything creatively better

There is nothing soothing about my MBP16 fan noise, I am connected to external monitors via Thunderbolt and this fan sounds like dang thunderstorm. Seriously unimpressed. Act. Mon. doesn't have any of my apps at 100% on CPU either.

Ahmed Ali Awad wrote:

I do understand that the heat of the process isn’t solvable just because of a more pricy machine; but I do understand that a higher price sets pr for acceptance criteria; and if the heat isn’t solvable, the noise level should be; I am not hardware engineer myself; but I am talking from a consumer point of view, there is no point of paying extra $ if I am not getting anything creatively better

A faster processor will generate more heat, which results in higher fan speeds.

You are paying extra money to get that extra performance (and, unfortunately, extra heat that results.)

Assuming that quieter fans (fans that spin fast with less noise) aren't possible, it still annoying to have constant noise even in ideal mode; I don't need the CPU power to be consistently in use even if I don't need it and cause unwanted noise.

Do you think it is acceptable to have noise when your CPU is under 10% utilisation? like the majority of the time?

At this moment, I can't tell when a process is causing a heavy load on my machine, or it is just the noisy fan that is messing around without checking my activity monitor

Same here :)

I'm happy because was able to return the machine already.

I appreciate the silent work environment, which was not possible with this laptop.

The fans on the new MBP16 are insane, the loudest noise I have ever experienced with any MBP (since 2009).

And I talking here about normal workflow (NOT "too much stuff running" like some people suggesting).

Tested the machine with two 4k monitors (BenQ PD3220U & ASUS ProArt PA32UCX-K), there is no chance to do some work on this setup, there is no lag at all (performance-wise is great, the best MacBook Pro ever), but the whole acoustic experience is similar to Airbus A380 starting procedure (the fans are loud as ....). Just can't imagine how the MBP16 can handle 6k Pro Display XDR, or even two of them (as advertised).

I love Apple, I really do. Just IMHO, the MBP16 is not suitable for professionals, who appreciate a pleasant work environment.

This leaves me with only a few Mac alternatives, which are unfortunately more expensive.

XOXO

William Kucharski wrote:

1. You have unrealistic expectations as to how interactions with Apple Engineering will go.

Basically it's usually:

Apple Engineering reaches out to ask for more data.

2. You provide the data.

You will be thanked and will hear nothing more1. until a fix is announced at some future date.

Apple will not keep you informed, tell you what they are thinking or otherwise reach out to provide updates except maybe to ask you to test a possible fix. That's simply Apple's culture; even other groups within Apple aren't always updated as to what other groups are working on except on a need-to-know basis.

What you call "going MIA" is the way interactions with Apple Engineering work.

Particularly if it's something they can reproduce in-house, there's no need on their part for further interaction.

Thank you for elucidating the way ENGINEERING (in contrast with Apple Support) collects and uses information they collect in VERY UNUSUAL contacts with end-Users. When a User is contacted by Engineering to collect information in this way, it is because users seem to have a unique problem never seen before, and the Engineers do not understand why it should be happening.

Those Engineers (possibly even the original board designers) will now go back to Engineering labs and attempt to reproduce the problems under similar conditions, with half-a-million-dollars worth of instruments and multiple high-powered experts on hand to measure exactly what is happening, and figure out WHY. They may make field trip or ask for additional samples from current production. They may pry the tops off chips and look at them under a microscope. Whatever it takes to find out WHY.

Then the Engineers will need to determine a fix or work-around, and test it thoroughly. This is an open-ended activity, and Users will NOT be notified of its progress.

In cases like this, Users who provided information DO NOT generally hear back directly, EVER. When the Engineers find the problem, the fixes/work-arounds could be anything. These fixes will be integrated into production in ways determined by standard procedures for changes.

The most obscure would be to introduce changes into the design in current production, and possibly issue a silent "Technical Bulletin" such that Users whose Macs exhibit this problem AND are presented for service are to have boards swapped. If all units that exhibit these symptoms are currently user warranty, there may be no separate program at all.

One of the least obscure would that be a software update is issued so that Users whose Macs are kept up-to-date would find their problems lessen after some (unspecified) update.

Occasionally, the only thing that is changed are specifications or instructions, such that certain activities are no longer supported, or must be done is a certain way in future.