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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

We are testing two new 16-inch MacBook's before doing a rollout across our organization. Under low loads (25% cpu utilization), fan noise will get annoyingly loud. We're not doing any GPU related and more routine work such as: using web applications, debugging web pages, Microsoft Teams conferencing (audio/video) with a handful of people, Photos downloading from iCloud, Mac Mail downloading a new mailbox from Exchange.


We DID NOT notice this on our 2015 MacBooks and this might prevent us from continuing the 16-inch MacBook rollout in our organization.


Interested to hear others experiences.


Tim

MacBook Pro 16", macOS 10.15

Posted on Nov 21, 2019 11:34 AM

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Feb 9, 2020 7:00 PM in response to iTech23

iTech23 wrote:
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if there is a problem I have a right as a costumer to use all the available channels to get it noticed.


Your only effective recourse if discussions with other Users do not solve your problem is to Contact Apple Support.


If Apple had people 'working' the forums to collect and solve problems, do you really think they would do so invisibly?

Feb 9, 2020 7:04 PM in response to DPJ

I’ve never once made Apple to be perfect. What I have mentioned is every new problem filled with comments saying they have the same problem are 100% all new accounts. Some will see that as an hidden agenda to grab the attention of the company. Saying that the 16” MBP is overheating with loud fan noise and doing absolutely no tasks is something I’ve never experienced. Therefore it leaves the fact that your machine is faulty and it’s not an issue unique to the 16”. Obviously your machine is defective.

Maybe it's just a lot of people who bought the new MacBook Pro 16" because it was what they were looking for and found the issue? There actually is nothing comparable to the 16" MacBook Pro out on the market especially for pro use.


And I wouldn't be surprised if most 'pro' users like myself use multiple monitors for their work, so it's kind of a natural thing to happen a lot of Apple newbies are getting into and as power users are having the same issues.

Feb 9, 2020 7:36 PM in response to TimUzzanti

I also have Macbook Pro 16 with the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB and I'm also experiencing the same issue when connecting my computer to an external monitor, I spent some time reading most of the comments and it seems that a lot of people is having the same issue, saying is not a hardware or software issue at this point is crazy. I read that some people is saying that this is normal, I'm sorry but I work for a studio that has more than a 100 Macs all from 2015 to 2019, no other machine is having this issue when connected to an external monitor, and if just connecting a $5000 "Pro" machine to external monitor causes the machine to heat that much, I don't think they should call it Pro, and the worst thing is that the CPU and GPU usage is less than 5%, so that doesn't make any sense, and if I do way more intensive tasks (for both the CPU and the GPU) without an external monitor connected, the machine is dead silent so obviously it can't be normal what we are experiencing.

Feb 9, 2020 10:05 PM in response to w0203j

Other forum post quote:


"FWIW, there are absolutely AMD 5XXX series driver issues with macOS Catalina 10.15.2 which are repeatable with both 5500M and RX 5700 XT in eGPU, especially when it comes to METAL. Additional reports in the MacPro forums with MP7,1 using RX 5700 & RX 5700 XT with the same issues. Personally really hoping Apple (and AMD?) address the driver issues before W5700X is available. Guessing 10.15.4 until it's really worked out, but 10.15.3 really should see an improvement if they're working on it."

Feb 10, 2020 4:31 AM in response to TailsDog

TailsDog,


Not sure if you saw one of my earlier posts, we had the blue artifacts as well. It would happen in certain Scaled Display levels but not the Default Scaling level. What was alarming, is that the artifacts did not exist when we would connect the same MBP to a eGPU. Also, we have since had a number of our 16inch MBP's replaced, and we are not seeing artifacts. I would be interested in you trying two things:


1) Does setting the monitor to Default Scaling level solve the problem.

2) If you were to refresh your laptop (not restore) with a fresh 10.15.3 exhibit does it solve the problem.


I would really like to know if a FRESH install solves the problem and if I still had a laptop that did it, that would be something I would try to eliminate it being a MacOS issue not a hardware issue.


Tim



Feb 10, 2020 4:41 AM in response to DPJ

We have used no less than 14 of these machines all with the same problem in 4 different configurations. Do you see how many other people in this thread are having the SAME EXACT issues. This isn't somewhat the same issue but the SAME EXACT issues.


Not sure why anyone would be spending time in this thread if you are not experiencing the issue or if you don't not own a 16inch MBP. We are trying to bring this issue to Apple's attention but its a serious problem and if you were experiencing it, you would agree.


Tim

Feb 10, 2020 4:47 AM in response to TimUzzanti

Hi Tim


I must have missed your earlier post about this issue. Yesterday I tried it at different scaled levels on the internal screen and it seems to be an issue at all of them, for sure it was happening at the default level on the internal and external display.


The strange thing is that right now I can not replicate the problem on any scaling level! Yesterday it was happening all the time when I was checking. I wonder if it is only happening when the system has been running for a while?


Would trying it in safe mode be the same as a fresh install? I'm not sure I have time right now to do a fresh install. Do your replaced MBPs still have the thermal problems?

Feb 10, 2020 4:53 AM in response to TailsDog

Yes, every 16inch MBP we have been provided has thermal problems and why we pushed the Apple Business Team for extended warranties. I would wait for the artifact issue to occur again and then try safe mode. We had tried cleaning all caches including fonts etc.. to see if that would help and nothing. I wish I had access to another machine with the issue to re-install and see is if the artifact problem is more MacOS issue or hardware. I am looking forward to a conference we have scheduled this week with a senior Apple Engineer and the Apple Business Team. Hoping they have some info.

Feb 10, 2020 5:39 AM in response to w0203j

Interesting in that he is referring to this thread. His tests aren't valid because he isn't plugged in and isn't drawing 97 watts into the unit which increases the heat. Also, being on battery, certain background applications or tasks won't run like Photos etc. It also sounds like he is testing it on one monitor. In previous posts, I showed how the number of monitors affects when heat conditions occur with various CPU levels. Maybe he will update this video accordingly.

Feb 10, 2020 5:53 AM in response to TimUzzanti

Just because they happened to contact you due to this thread does not make Apple Support Communities a viable way to reach Support.


It’s a little like if your house catches on fire, and a fire truck driving by notices and stops.


It’s great it happened, but it is not the recommended way to get help if your house catches fire.


On the other hand I am happy the Apple Business Team is working with you and some others here.

Feb 10, 2020 8:14 AM in response to TimUzzanti

"Not sure why anyone would be spending time in this thread if you are not experiencing the issue or if you don't not own a 16inch MBP. "


Firstly, don't make incorrect assumptions. I have a 16" MBP. Core i9 2.3 Ghz 1TB SSD 8GB 5500M 32GB Ram. Secondly it's ridiculous for you to expect people who don't have problems not to post. It's just as important for people that don't experience such issues to post otherwise the wrong information gets put out such as people saying the issue is "widespread" just by looking at all the negative posts. Everybody who owns a 16" MBP should post if they prefer to. Your post stating that people not having problems shouldn't post is just as bad as people stating that only good things should be said without criticism.


Also for your information my eyes work 100% perfectly. I don't need to read posts towards me using all caps. You can emphasize your point perfectly without using caps. That's yelling.

Feb 10, 2020 8:29 AM in response to DPJ

DPJ:


You have my exact configuration. If I missed it, I apologize, but have you tested your setup with one monitor plugged directly into the machine with a display port or HDMI adapter with the lid open? If you could please do this with turbo boost enabled, I would appreciate it.


If you have, would you please confirm what you experience for us?


You are 100% welcome to be here, whatever your purpose or intent. I would personally like to know if you have this issue when you are connected as I outlined above. I can't avoid the high heat and loud fans whenever I run mine in this configuration.

Feb 10, 2020 9:07 AM in response to dcristof

Dcristof,


No one has argued that the 16inch MBP has heat issues running with no accessories.


The MacRumors thread that was posted that included the Max Teach video which references this thread isn't accurate either. He was using the 16inch MBP not plugged in which does not include 97 watts of power and heat which also means that certain tasks and applications won't be running on the computer while testing. He also had only one monitor connected which affects CPU thresholds etc.


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Feb 10, 2020 9:03 AM in response to dcristof

That would be really helpful - the more people that can check for this issue we can see how widespread it is.


I have not heard of anyone that has not got a problem when testing in the situation you have described.


Again, using an eGPU, Clamshell Mode or only the internal monitor is not likely to cause the problem with excessive heat or power when the system is mostly idling.

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