2019 Imac 27" Do I need an i7 or i9? I bought a 6 core i5 to replace my mid 2011 i5 4 core machine.

I have a 2019 Imac 27" 6 core i5, 32 gb ram, Radeon Pro 580X 8 gb with 500gb SSD that I used primarily to do extensive photo edits in photoshop. I upgraded from my mid 2011 4 core i5, 16 gb ram, Radeon HD6770M with 2TB HDD machine and now i am fearing it may not have been worth the $1500 i paid for it. I figured it would be much faster but honestly I am not seeing it. For example: I still get lag when using the smudge tool doing large sections on high res images. This sound about right? I don't notice anything strange with machine other then I might have been expecting more from it. Do I really need an i7 machine or even an i9 to notice a real improvement? or does something not sound right with my machine?

iMac 27", macOS 10.13

Posted on Feb 13, 2020 10:18 AM

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Feb 13, 2020 10:34 AM in response to xtremevette

Something is amiss. Benchmark tests don't tell the full story but your new computer benchmarks almost twice as fast. EtreCheck is a diagnostic program written by an ASC member that lets us look under the hood of your computer without seeing any personal information. It would be a good idea to run it and paste the results here. We might find something that is eluding you.


One thing that immediately comes to mind though is this: lots has changed between 2011 and now. If you've not been updating software it could be that you are using programs that can't take full advantage of the OS, CPU, or GPU.

Feb 13, 2020 12:06 PM in response to xtremevette

While your computer meets the minimum requirements to install Photoshop and for it to run, it is not any where near the specs required for optimum performance. The performance level you’re looking for requires at least 16GB of RAM, preferably 32GB. A large Raw file with several layers will slow down with only 16GB of RAM.


If you’re running dual monitors, 8GB of Video/GRaphis RAM is recommended. A single monitor will do fine with only 4GB of Video/Graphics RAM.


Many of processes will work with multi-core/multi-threaded processors, but Adobe recommends i7 and i9 processors for optimum performance. However, some of the filters etc. do not use multi cores/threads and in that case the single core with the fastest speed will perform the best. Recommended for best performance would be processors rated at 4Ghz or higher.


I’ve been a beta tester for Adobe for several years and have taught PS and LR for many years. My observations are based on requirements posted on Adobe’s site and personal experience with their products on multiple platforms etc. I hope this helps.

Feb 13, 2020 11:48 AM in response to xtremevette

Ok so i noticed after running that first Etre log report that it showed up with "major errors" and that something showed up as a "Runaway process - A process is using a large percentage of your CPU." which according to the report was like 102% of the processor power being used while idling with nothing other then firebox being opened to view this thread?


I ran another report turning off the Target Display Mode via F2 option on my keyboard which was sharing my other Imac as a 2nd screen. I then ran the report again and no extra processes or major errors were shown as running (report attached here). I also tried using Photoshop without my 2nd monitor and I still showed it lagging while using the smudge tool. So Iam thinking now perhaps this is definitely an Adobe Photoshop CC Problem and they don't want to own up to it?


Feb 13, 2020 2:17 PM in response to xtremevette

Sorry, if it seemed confusing. I was typing this at the same time you were posting with your system specs and I did not have a chance to review them.


I think there are two things holding you back with the performance you’re looking for in my opinion. Your choice of an i5 processor over an i7 or i9 is an issue. I think 16GB of Ram is limiting. My personal experience is I noticed a speed increase when going from 24GB to 64Gb of RAM. I think the sweet spot is 32GB or more.


There are several iMacs with speeds at 4Ghz and above. My 2017 iMac with 64Gb of RAM and an i7 processor at 4Ghz has none of your issues. I also use an older mid-2010 iMac as a second monitor. The single core processor speed can be less 4Ghz, but when the boost is applied to the single core it will exceed the recommended 4Ghz for single core performance. But any single core performance of 4Ghz (or higher) including boost, will speed up those filters etc. that perform best with high processor speeds.


The multi-core speeds do not need to be above 4Ghz and with many operations (but not all) more cores are better for faster performance. So, the 2017 iMac Pro and 2019 i7 and i9 iMacs can do quite well.



Feb 13, 2020 4:46 PM in response to xtremevette

I have an iMac18,3 with the following specs:



That was the fastest processor at the time.


In running the smudge tool on a 582 MB photoshop file with Photoshop Elements 2020 the process takes forever to complete. The app was reported in Activity Monitor at taking nearly 300% of the CPU.


Here is how long it took to blur a face:



About 49 seconds. The image is 9600 x 15282. So you can try to get a feel for what that processor can do vs what you have. And don't know how big your image files are.


Off the subject: is your user name in any way referring to Corvettes?





Feb 13, 2020 1:55 PM in response to Jeff Donald

Thanks. Can you possibly explain a little better as I think perhaps you mis read parts of my system specs. Your information is a little confusing and you seem to even contradict yourself? I am not trying to be mean or come off like a jerk, just trying to learn and understand you better. Thank you.


My specs as mentioned above and in the report are:

2019 3.7 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i5 (i5-9600K) CPU: 6-core

32GB RAM

500GB SSD

Radeon Pro 580X - VRAM: 8 GB Graphics Card


1.) I have done benchmarks and hard drive read and write tests and the mac passes with great numbers.

2.) Already spoke with OWC about the ram and since even with multiple layers open while monitoring ram usage photoshop is only using 12gb, they claim getting more ram is not the answer and will not help performance.

3.) You mentioned that jumping from an i5 to i7 or i9 should help but then explain it may not help as the filters and brushes iam using do not even utilize the multi cores. So hmmm.

4.) To the best of my knowledge there is no mac in the current lineup that is running above 4ghz natively not including power boosts anyways.


So in the end....this to me is all pointing the finger at Adobe for not properly maintaining Photoshop especially when they switched and went to CC and cloud based. Again I have read many numerous threads about people experiencing the same type of issues even with i7 processors. Unfortunately I am not seeing any real answers for a solution other then users going back to 2018 or earlier versions which for me is not a option.


So yeah...hmmmmm


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