Backing up to external hard drives ...

1: Can I delete older some Time Machine backups to make room on portable hard drives?


OR -- Can I put 2 X CCC on one drive?

OR -- CCC and TM on one drive/machine?

OR -- Should I just delete all TM backups and use the freed up space for CCC?

Basically, I"m about to embark on sorting out our iMac and MBP.


Have 3 diff external hard drives and wondering how to go about not buying another one*.


Each machine has been backing up TM but I"m going to use Carbon Copy Cloner CCC (just purchased have never used before).


Advice appreciated as to how the Pros (like you!) would handle this. Apologies if it looks like I"m confused :D because I"m feeling overwhelmed and slightly stressed about our systems.


*Why aren't there more portable drives for MAC? There are none available for sale in my hometown and online ordering is about a months wait right now. I will make the drive to go get another one if that's what's deemed the best approach . . .

iMac, macOS 10.12

Posted on Apr 16, 2020 6:25 PM

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Apr 16, 2020 6:48 PM in response to OhThatGirl

No you should not try and delete old backups to free up space on a Time Machine drive.

It would be better to pick one external drive and erase it, or get another drive to use for CCC.


You do not need to buy special external drives for your Mac’s. You just need to buy a standard external drives and use Disk Utility to format them to work with your Mac’s.


For some very simple instructions,

see > https://www.seagate.com/support/kb/how-to-format-your-drive-in-macos-1011-and-above-007736en/

Apr 16, 2020 7:15 PM in response to OhThatGirl

No it's absolutely a BAD idea to have Carbon Copy Cloner and Time Machine on the same drive. The drive will eventually die and when it does you will have lost both of your backups. This is a really really really bad strategy. EHD's are pretty inexpensive, if you want to use both Carbon Copy Cloner and Time Machine which is really good idea to have redundant backups, each should have it's own External Hard Disk! It's that simple. I know this is NOT what you wanted to hear but it's the right thing to do.

Apr 16, 2020 8:05 PM in response to OhThatGirl

Both Carbon Copy Cloner and Time Machine serve different purposes, and you should understand the advantages of both to fully take advantage of them. Both can make regularly scheduled backups in the background as an automated or manual process.


CCC can copy the entire drive and make a bootable copy, so when your hard drive fails, you can instantly boot up into the most recent backup copy of your working machine. This helps keep you going in the event of the drive failure, but then you lack that safety net, use sparingly. It requires a hard drive big enough to copy all the data on the source drive.


TM can make snapshots of the entire drive, and periodic snapshots of files at different points in time. If you were working on one particular Word.doc for a project and it got corrupted and you needed to find an older version from last Tuesday, for example. It will fill up whatever drive you have with these periodic snapshots and automatically delete the oldest versions to make room for newer ones. When your hard drive crashes, you have to boot from an emergency boot drive, which has a minimal operating system and perform a rather lengthy restoration from the TM backup. Hopefully your TM hard drive is not that old, because the continuous use of the restoration process itself can send an old drive over the edge and fail during the restoration process, a good reason to have more than one backup.


You can combine a TM and a CCC backup on a large drive, if you partition the drive and have one logical volume for TM, that way it can fill up that partition and leave the CCC volume (which appears like its own drive) for the entire bootable clones. Again, this is a risk that you lose both when that drive fails. Definitely a good idea to have more than one backup drive, and having one TM dedicated drive and one CCC dedicated drive for each machine is one good strategy.


We always try to save a buck, but when a hard drive fails and you lose the only copy of all your personal contacts, emails, tax records, photographs, music, school or work projects, etc, you will know how much that extra backup hard drive was really worth to you.


Plan for your recovery process. When one of your computers has a hard drive failure, what will be your plan to utilize the backups you have made to restore your computer to working condition, or migrate to the new computer. Understand the CCC and TM process for that, and you can appreciate the benefits of having either one to choose from, as opposed to neither.


Good luck!


Apr 17, 2020 1:12 PM in response to Glen Doggett

Thanks, I have been doing backup & run TM on both computers (each with their own automatic dedicated EHD) but have never used CCC.


Last night I picked up a WD 4TB My Book ... My plan is to have CCC for both computers on it and then the other drives will continue to be the TM backups.


I appreciate your response, and the others that have advised. Thank-you.


I find myself reading and speaking out loud so as to keep it all straight in my mind, lol.


Apr 17, 2020 1:22 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Thanks, I"ve shopped there before but I"m in Canada so it's not something done easily right now.


Last night I bought a WD 4TB My Book.


I read that SSD recommended and avoiding USB only, and try for more than USB only . . . but there's not a lot of inventory in town; that and shipping right now is too much of a wait.


To think, I originally was just learning about switching the SSD over to support TRIM . . . sigh.



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