Thunderbolt vs. USB-C vs. USB 3.1 (re: external storage)

Trying to make a decision here, and I could use some advice.


Last October I bought a refurbished 2017 iMac running Mojave. It's got no FW ports, but it does have 2 thunderbolt and 4 USB ports. Both are version 3, if I got my facts straight.


Now, there are too many options and there's too much cross-compatibility.

  • USB-C plugs into thunderbolt, but not the other way around... or something...
  • USB3's supposed to be much faster, but is it an interface of the future or is it being phased out by the smaller USB-C-type port??
  • Or, is thunderbolt going to knock them all off?
  • Is thunderbolt a type of USB?


Ugh. I don't know what the heck's going on, and all the reading I've done has only confused me.


I need to make a future-proofing decision for external storage. I currently have three external, FW800 / USB 2.0 (?) G-drives. Being around 5 years old now, and considering that thunderbolt appears to be the wave of the future, I'd like to dig up some external thunderbolt HDs.


Is this the right or best way to go? If so, are there any recommendations? I'm having trouble finding thunderbolt drives in the 2TB and 4TB sizes -- the ones I want.


Or, would I be sufficiently future-proofed by getting a USB3 drive or one using USB-C?


Sorry for the long post. As Vinny Barbarino was fond of saying, I'm sooooo confuuuuused!

iMac 21.5", macOS 10.14

Posted on May 25, 2020 9:45 PM

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May 26, 2020 4:42 AM in response to Keithiepoo

If you are looking at buying a standard hard disk drive and not

an SSD, you will be wasting your money for the expense of a

Thunderbolt solution. Even with USB3, a spinning disk hard drive

will not deliver even close to the speed capabilities of USB3.


So, if you are just looking for mass storage and backup, just

go with a USB, since it will be much cheaper. If you

get one with a USB-C port, you can always find adapters/cables

to connect to a USB-A port on a computer. Currently, all USB

flavors are forward/backward compatible and it is not likely

that this will change in the near future.


Also, unless you are doing some sort of real time video

editing, there is no real need to go Thunderbolt with external

storage, even with an SSD.

May 30, 2020 5:56 AM in response to Keithiepoo

Consider this option, purchase a bare SATA SSD (or HDD). Then purchase

a relatively inexpensive USB3 enclosure with either USB-A or

USB-C connector (usually priced in the $20-40 range for 2.5" format

or a bit more for 3.5" HDD). Then in the future, simply get another

case that supports whatever interface that has an internal SATA connection,

and just swap the bare drive.

May 30, 2020 1:13 PM in response to Keithiepoo

If you've filled out all your available USB-A connections, and looking for a single USB-A connection...


USB-C to USB Adapter - Apple


I'd tend to invest in a USB-A powered hub or USB-A powered dock (I'd avoid an unpowered USB-A hub or dock), or a USB-C or Thunderbolt hub or dock, though. At best, unpowered USB-A hubs are good for keyboards and mice and low-consumption options. Bus-powered hard disk drives or other high-consumption devices, not so much.


The hub or dock approach allows you to select a hub or dock with whatever selection of ports you might want or need. And you can get more than one USB-A connection.


As you're interested, I don't know if anybody still offers a hub or dock with anything as far back as FireWire.


There are many reputable vendors. Here are two vendors, with a variety of options:


https://satechi.net/collections/hubs-docks

https://www.anker.com/products/114/hub

May 30, 2020 5:21 PM in response to Keithiepoo

I'd be afraid of G*Drive was bought by WD, don't get me wrong. I love WD Black or Blue 3.5" drives, but will never buy a WD cased drive again, proprietary connection internally so when case fails you cannot pull the drive... had 2 2TB WDs die within a month, & in that month never did get a complete backup... needless to say I never even returned them... I'd be bald worrying when the replacements would fail.


I only use...

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-mercury-elite-pro

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/eSATA_FW800_FW400_USB

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-drive-dock


May 26, 2020 9:04 PM in response to BDAqua

Hmm... appreciate you looking all that up and presenting the links to me. I'd still prefer a more pure solution, but let me ask you: Does Catalina (not that I've upgraded yet, but at some point I'm going to have to) support this sort of interface -- this USB3 to thunderbolt adaptor?


Please understand... I had a MacBook Pro from 2010. Thing was on O2 tanks last fall. Eventually it fell into a coma. My peripherals were suddenly flirting with obsolescence after I bought the refurbished 2017 iMac. I need to be careful that whatever I pick up, it's going to be usable for the next 5 or so years.

May 30, 2020 11:12 AM in response to Keithiepoo

There are three 2017 iMac models. Four, if you count the iMac Pro 2017. There’s 21.5”, 21.5” Retina 4K, and 27” Retina 5K. And the iMac Pro 2017. All three of the iMac models here have two Thunderbolt 3 ports, and four USB-A USB 3.0 ports.


Also... you’ve told us that you want storage, and a fairly modest capacity of two or four terabytes, but not what for. Time Machine backups? Or some other use?


The USB-C ports for Thunderbolt are also USB ports on the iMac models, in addition to being Thunderbolt 3 ports.


FireWire was no longer Part of the hardware configuration starting with ~2012 Macs.


Confusingly, USB-C is probably best considered to be a mis-named connector specification. What hardware behind the connector can be USB, Thunderbolt 3, power delivery for charging, and other protocols can be present. Different devices have different capabilities. All Mac USB-C connections available can also support USB storage and device and keyboard and mouse connections, though you’ll usually end up with a dock or hub or adapter to get to the familiar USB-A devices.


Here’s what Apple states about the current iMac 5K 27” ports:

Two Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) ports with support for:

    • DisplayPort
    • Thunderbolt (up to 40Gb/s)
    • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
    • Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately)


That USB-C connector can—with the appropriate cable selected—provide all of these different connectors on the current iMac 5K 27”.


Further confusingly, the cabling connected to the USB-C connector varies by which connection will be used. Thunderbolt, USB cables with USB-C connectors, and USB-C charging cables are all commonly available, and are variously not interchangeable. Which is why I label every USB-C cable purchased.


Different computer vendors have different lists of which can be permitted with a USB-C socket, to keep this confusing, too. You shouldn’t be able to damage stuff, but the wrong cable and/or a USB-C port that doesn’t support what you want to use simply won’t work.


And to add another dollop of confusion to this morass, the USB folks decided to rename USB 3.0 to USB 3.1 gen 1, when they introduced USB 3.1 gen 2. USB 3.1 gen 1 is the same as USB 3.0. That 3.1 stuff was then replaced with USB 3.2, which is USB 3.1 doubled up. Just recently available is USB 4, but there’s not all that much USB 4 hardware available yet.


As stated earlier, hard disks have performance well below that supported by USB 3.0/3.1g1/3.1g2/3.2/4. You don’t need Thunderbolt for a modest hard disk, as hard disks are just slow.


Current-generation hard disk sizes are 14 to 16 TB. Much of anything below 4 or 5 TB is getting pretty old.


Thunderbolt storage doesn’t bother with small-capacity stuff, and tends to be reserved for use with hard disk storage arrays. Single hard disks just don’t need the performance of USB 3.0/3.1g1/3.1g2/3.2/4 speeds, much less that of recent Thunderbolt.


Don’t bother looking for small Thunderbolt disks. You’ll find SSDs and such, and SSD arrays, but USB works fine for hard disks below the size of hard disk arrays.


Five to seven years is the outer limit lifetime of most storage gear. Probably all of it, at the prices you’re probably looking to pay.


If you’re planning on keeping this for a bit while also migrating to a laptop, I’d suggest looking at FreeNAS or at a commercial NAS provider such as Synology, and one that offers Time Machine support if that’s of interest here. That so that you don’t have to remember to cable the laptop to the storage. So long as the Mac is within range of the Wi-Fi, Time Machine can run.


But for what are seemingly your current modest storage requirements, a USB 3.0-ish (3.0/3.1g1/3.1g2/3.2) external hard disk of 4 to 6 TB will work just fine. Those are typically around USD$100 or so, and most feature a USB-A connector. Expect to replace that in ~five to seven years. And Time Machine will work just fine with that.


I can’t see getting particularly invested into the purchase of a hard disk drive—particularly not one more than ~five years old—as those hard disks that do get old also get flaky and tend to fail. ~USB$100 amortized over ~five years isn’t very much, after all.

May 30, 2020 3:16 PM in response to MrHoffman

You know, connection-wise I think I'm good. This thing has 2 ThBlt / USB-C ports, and 4 USB 3.0 type-A ports.


I think my challenge is going to decide on the best interface / budget / storage-need balance. My storage needs are 2, 4 & 4, as already stated.


  • 2TB acts as an extension of my main 1TB drive, taking offloaded media files only (videos, podcasts, music, etc.). Saves room for the myriad other domestic projects I like to work on.


  • The two 4TB drives act as redundant backups for all of it. My Maya project and demo reel files, thousands upon thousands of personal media files, including hours of home-based HD video clips, music, podcasts, saved VHS cassette clips, financial info, OS/system-level stuff, etc., all fit neatly onto these 4TB drives, with over a TB to spare as of this typing. I will probably start getting into the habit of leaving one of these redundant discs offsite, such as at my job for added protection. I cannot afford the cloud option for right now.


What do you guys do for backups? I assume the iCloud thing is part of your strategies?

May 30, 2020 4:39 PM in response to BDAqua

Hi BD (you've helped me in other threads.. thanks man :)) And it's called "pCloud"... Noted. How much $$ per unit storage, just out of curiosity?


Okay, so I'm looking at G-drives. I am partial to these because of their industrial design, but they do not seem to get the best (or the worst) reviews. However, they're owned by WD, which consistently gets great write-ups, and in my experience (dropping them on the dang floor), they're quite durable.


What do you guys think of this breed of drive?


I'm looking at a 4TB G-drive with a USB-C output in the back. It's $140. Not freakin' bad, but I'd like some of your opinions before I pulled the trigger.

May 30, 2020 5:14 PM in response to Keithiepoo

Years ago after using up the free 20 GB, I went for the Lifetime 250 GB for one time fee of $125 or $175, (getting old), then unannounced & no additional charge they raised it to 500 GB, looks even cheaper now...


Personal plans:

Basic: free - up to 20GB storage.


Premium: $3.99/month or $47.88/year - 500GB storage.

Lifetime Premium: $125 - one-time payment


Premium plus: $7.99/month or $95.88/year - 2TB storage.

Lifetime Premium plus: $250 - one-time payment


Crypto add-on: $3.99/month.


Business: $7.99/user/month - includes 1TB storage and pCloud Crypto.


https://www.getapp.com/collaboration-software/a/pcloud-business/pricing/

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