Do Time Machine Editor Programs Work

I see that there are some stray posts along this line, but I'm wondering about the experiences that people have had trying various Time Machine editor programs.


I think I'm leaning towards using another backup & cloning software unless I can move forward with some confidence in the third party apps exist. I'm reading such mixed reviews about the software that is available, like Time Machine Editor and such. Who has used these programs and how have they worked for you? And do they work well with Catalina?

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 10.15

Posted on Jun 20, 2020 2:13 AM

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Jun 20, 2020 3:26 AM in response to Sunshine_82

FWIW, I only use Time Machine for backups. I don't understand why anyone wants to lengthen the time between backups since the longer time between backups, the more work you can lose. Losing an hour's worth of work seems better to me than a day's or week's worth.


As far as alternatives, Carbon Copy Cloner and SuperDuper! are the two most recommended by experienced users, in that order. I can't remember any mention of others.

Jun 20, 2020 1:34 PM in response to Old Toad

Thanks for the feedback. It's very helpful. I know I'm pressing this point about backups hard, but that's because it's an important issue.


Since I'll be working with a partitioned drive partially dedicated to PC projects, it would be helpful to use another backup program that is PC compatible just to be safe. If I'm doing that, I'm wondering if I might as well continue using that program for my Mac files. Hence my hesitation and further inquiry.


Here are my remaining questions about Time Machine:

1) Will it wake up my computer from sleep mode for backups?

2) Will it notify me of instances of potential file corruption? Or does it notify of any errors of any kind during backups? Is there a report that can be run? (I'm slightly concerned that TM may work so well, but if there's a problem during backup and I'm not notified then the issue won't be addressed until it's too late.)

3) Can Time Machine operate on a hard drive that is partitioned? Or will it require full use of the entire drive?


Regarding TM alternatives, I just read through the SuperDuper! manual today. Very extensive. The program can do a lot. I've heard good things about CCC, too. Tri-Backups looks robust, but maybe a little less user-friendly?


Ultimately, I just need something easy to use; something that makes scheduled backups that allow for versioned archiving of files (that way I can return to an earlier version of a project if there is an issue with file corruption and such); and it would be nice if the program is compatible with Windows and allows for bootable clones. I think those are the essentials.


I'm not sure about SandBoxing. How necessary is that? SuperDuper! allows for that, but I'm not sure if the others do. I'm also not sure if I would have the patience to work with that process. Anyway, thanks for the feedback as I'm coming to a conclusion about my backup software needs.

Jun 21, 2020 6:21 AM in response to Yer_Man

I'm still trying to understand this principle distinction between a clone backup and a bootable clone. A clone backup should contains all system files, right? Is the difference solely that a user can't boot their computer off of the drive where the backup is located directly?


I imagine that other programs like Carbon Copy Cloner or Try-Backup or SuperDuper! can all function as bootable clones? Is there not another option for just cloning the OS and system files independently of the other data? Then I can supplement the general backup with that system info. If I'm already running routine backups, then creating a bootable clone seems redundant -- and especially unwieldy because my new internal drive will be so big.


Additionally, does anyone know if any of the three above alternative programs work especially well in running diagnostic checks during backups to alert the user of potential file management issues, even alerting of potential file corruption issues?

Jun 21, 2020 10:03 AM in response to Sunshine_82

Sunshine_82 wrote:

I'm still trying to understand this principle distinction between a clone backup and a bootable clone.

Would you appreciate it being more complicated? Time Machine is actually bootable. It will boot into recovery mode, from whence you can restore. Usually people don’t want to hear that because they’ve got their hearts set on that “bootable clone” idea. And they really don’t want to hear about RAIDs. And don’t even try to tell them about unique identifiers that no longer are.

Jun 20, 2020 2:39 AM in response to Yer_Man

Ultimately, I'm trying to do a little bit of everything. I want a program that allows for backups, cloning/syncing, and creation of bootable disk images. So even if I work with TM, I'll need to supplement its functions with another program.


But I want the ability to set scheduled backups on a rolling calendar basis rather than on an hourly basis. I'm just finding that other programs have program quirks that people are reporting about. This is probably inevitable though...

Jun 20, 2020 5:27 AM in response to Sunshine_82

Well TM won't give you a bootable disk image. Not sure anything will. If you can't boot the computer then you won't be able to mount the disk image. Do you mean a bootable clone?


Check out Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper. I've no idea what a rolling calendar basis is (isn't that what hourly is?), but both of those have flexible scheduling options.

Jun 20, 2020 6:27 PM in response to Sunshine_82

Sunshine_82 wrote:

Ultimately, I just need something easy to use; something that makes scheduled backups that allow for versioned archiving of files (that way I can return to an earlier version of a project if there is an issue with file corruption and such); and it would be nice if the program is compatible with Windows and allows for bootable clones. I think those are the essentials.

For simplicity, it is easiest to use Time Machine and an attached usb drive for default hourly Mac backups. Be aware that Time Machine is not an archival backup program. You will have to use one of the programs already mentioned for flexible scheduling and a version of archiving.


Use a separate Windows program to backup Windows. Again, use a separate usb drive. Do not backup to the Time Machine drive.


Have a nice day.

Jun 21, 2020 3:19 PM in response to etresoft

Thanks for the feedback. I don't wish the issue to be any more complicated; I'm just trying to understand it from a forward-thinking process as someone who is very green about this issue to begin with. Consider me a layperson who would like to feel at least slightly comfortable about issues related to data management and backup and such.


Besides my ignorance, I also have fairly particular needs and preferences. I'm working with partitioned drives spanning both Mac and PC worlds. I'm also working with old projects and I'm trying to figure out a way to proactively look out for file corruption issues that might arise. It would also be nice to be able to resort to an earlier version of the OS if there are compatibility issues while retaining the newest user data, for example. I'm not sure how well-equipped TM is to handle those situations. I suppose that I can boot from internet recovery or use a bootable installer.


I'm just thinking this through. Maybe I'm thinking too hard. But this is a serious subject.

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