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jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I have airport extreme, and a express to extend wifi range.

I bought another express to extend more. But if I understand express doesn't connect in other express am I right ?

Express show in the airport utility with green light but the wifi doesn't work.

can someone help me ?

imac 27 i5, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • 1. Re: airport express to extend range
    Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (48,245 points)
    I bought another express to extend more. But if I understand express doesn't connect in other express am I right ?


    Actually, it can. The problem you are having, most likely, is that you are attempting to create the older "static" version of a WDS where you can use three base station "in series" (main, relay, & remote) to cover the greatest linear distance. My guess is that you have tried using the "Allow this network to be extended" and "Extend a wireless network" options which only pertain to the newer "dynamic" WDS with the 802.11n AirPorts. Unfortunately, this newer version only allow two base stations in any one direction. )Think of it as spokes of a wheel, with the main in the middle and each other base station on the spokes.)

    To re-create the older "static" WDS with the newer 802.11n AirPorts, you would need to select the "Participate in a WDS" option for the Wireless Mode. Note: In order to have this option, you will need to hold down the Option key before clicking on the drop-down menu for Wireless Mode.
  • 2. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    when I tried to change to Participate in a WDS, it ask me to find other device with wds and didn't refresh airport express
  • 3. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I put in airport express participated in a wds, in the option wds I put the mac address from extreme as the main... and the option retransmission, it didn't work

    I tried to find something related to wds in airport extreme, but there isn't
  • 4. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    oooops sorry I found the option on extreme. I created the wds network.

    Remote ID I put my express.

    In the express I put everything correct, network name, password, participated in a wds, put the id from my extreme 2.4ghz as the main, and put retransmission and it didn't work... the express is flashing ambar. problem with internet (ip address)
  • 5. Re: airport express to extend range
    Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (48,245 points)
    Are all of your AirPorts the 802.11n or 802.11b/g version ... or a mix of both?

    Ok, just to be sure I understand your network requirements, are you trying to do the following?

    Internet > Modem > AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) >>> AirPort Express Base Station (AX) #1 >>> AirPort Express Base Station (AX) #2 >>> wireless clients, where ">" is a wired connection, and ">>>" is a wireless connection.
  • 6. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    all of my airports -> 802.11n

    airport extreme with adsl connection my bedroom >>> 1 airport express near my sister's bedroom >>> and the other airport express in the room.

    I put all in my bedroom for do the configuration...
  • 7. Re: airport express to extend range
    Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (48,245 points)
    Ok, thanks for clarifying your equipment.

    Since they are all 802.11n models, you basically have two versions of WDS that can be configured: static & dynamic.

    A "static" WDS will only operate in the 802.11g Radio Mode and has the advantage of covering the greatest linear distance. So, for example, if you house is rectangular in shape, and the ADSL modem is on one of the short sides of the rectangle, you can set up the main near the modem, place a remote at the far end of the house, and place a relay between them. The biggest disadvantage of this type of WDS is there is a significant loss of bandwidth as for each station added, the overall bandwidth is cut in half. Since, this type of WDS operates in the 802.11g Radio Mode, you would be starting with a maximum bandwidth of 54 Mbps. Adding the additional two stations would drop this maximum to 12-14 Mbps (or near 802.11b speeds).

    A "dynamic" WDS operates in the 802.11n Radio Mode. Unlike the "static" version there are only "mains" and "remotes" ... no "relays." If we use the same example, if your ADSL modem was in the middle of the house, you could place the main there and place remotes at either end. Note: Although there will be some loss of overall bandwidth, you will be starting at a much higher maximum (around 130 Mbps) and adding the additional stations will NOT reduce the bandwidth in half like the "static" version.

    Since the setup is different for each type, which do you prefer?
  • 8. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I would like to use the dynamic one, but I can't put the adsl in the middle. this telephone number is only in my bedroom.
    but if I understood I can only use my two express if I change to 802.11g ?
  • 9. Re: airport express to extend range
    Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (48,245 points)
    If you need to cover a long distance than the first option, using a "static" WDS, is the way you would want to go.

    Here are the steps to set it up:

    (Note: To facilitate the WDS set up, temporarily connect the remote & relay base stations to the AEBSn by Ethernet during the set up phase, and then, relocate them to the desired locations when complete. Also, jot down the AirPort IDs (MAC addresses) for each of the base stations to be used in the WDS. The AirPort ID and is printed on the label on the bottom/side of the base station.)

    Main Base Station Setup - AEBSn
    o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as the main base station.
    o Open AirPort Utility (located in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Macintosh computer, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a computer using Windows).
    o Select the main base station, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base
    Station menu.
    o Enter the base station password if necessary. If the base station is using the default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
    o Click Wireless in the toolbar, and then, choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu. Note: You will need to hold down the Option key in order to get this option on the AEBSn, 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn), or Time Capsule (TC).
    o Click WDS and then, choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
    o Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computer to connect to this base station.
    o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of the base station you want to connect to this base station.
    o Click Update to send the new settings to the base stations in the WDS.

    Remote Base Station Setup - AX#1
    o Open AirPort Utility; select the remote base station, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
    o Enter the base station password, if necessary.
    o Enter the same network password as the main base station, if necessary.
    o Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then, click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
    o Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
    o Enter the AirPort ID of the main base station in the WDS Main field.
    o Click Update to transfer the settings to the base station.

    Relay Base Station Setup - AX#2
    o Open AirPort Utility; select the relay base station, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
    o Enter the same network password as the main base station, if necessary.
    o Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then, click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
    o Click WDS and choose “WDS relay” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
    o Enter the AirPort ID of the main base station in the Main AirPort ID field.
    o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of the remote base station this relay base station will connect to.
    o Click Update to transfer the new WDS settings to the relay and remote base stations.

    (ref: Pages 42-46 of "Designing AirPort Networks.)
  • 10. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I follow all steps and it doesn't work

    I connected two express by ethernet, and the ax#1 (remote) stay green, when I disconnect from ethernet it stay ambar.

    And the other one stay ambar all time

    I reset all units to factory default did the same steps and the same thing happened

    what I did:

    I'm using channel 2, and the password wpa2

    I saw all macaddress in the airport utility, the extreme has two macaddress and I used the 2.4ghz

    I read the page 42 until 46

    I don't know what to do
  • 11. Re: airport express to extend range
    Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (48,245 points)
    I'm sorry that this is not working for you. Let's try to simplify things by configuring for a "dynamic" WDS. Hopefully the process will be easier to configure and still work for your situation.

    Do the following for the AEBSn:
    o Open AirPort Utility and select the base station that will connect to the Internet.
    o Choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
    o Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then click Wireless.
    o Choose “Create a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then select the “Allow this network to be extended” checkbox.

    Do these steps for each AX:
    o Select the base station that will extend this network, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open its configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
    o Choose “Extend a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then choose the network you want to extend from the Network Name pop-up menu.
    o Enter the base station network and base station password is necessary.
    o Click Update to update the base station with new network settings.
  • 12. Re: airport express to extend range
    jc2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I was using dynamic... I will use dynamic again and sell the new express that I bought

    thx a lot for your help
  • 13. Re: airport express to extend range
    Cathie Turner Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    I need help along the same lines. I have an airport extreme - dual band. I plugged it in (a few months ago) it works. But I have no wi fi in parts of the house so I bought an express (n). Get it plugged in and green but it does not extend the network. Reading other forums someone said to check on the option to extend (on express) but there is no such option. I don't plan to use it for printing or music - I just want my wi fi to work better. What am I doing wrong??

    CT
  • 14. Re: airport express to extend range
    Bob Timmons Level 9 Level 9 (78,610 points)
    You'll need to check some settings and perhaps reconfigure the AirPort Express again to get things working. The instructions earlier in this thread are for setting up a WDS. You would not do this with your devices because both are newer "n" devices.

    _On the AirPort Extreme (AEBS)_

    Open AirPort Utility and click Manual Setup
    Click the Wireless tab below the row of icons
    The important settings to check here are:
    Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network
    Make sure there is a check mark next to "Allow this network to be extended"
    Make a note of the exact Security setting that the AEBS is using as well
    Update to save any changes and close AirPort Utility

    _On the AirPort Express (AX)_

    Temporarily, move the AX to the same room as the AEBS and power it up
    Hold in the reset button until the amber light begins to blink more quickly and then hold a few more seconds, then release the reset button
    Temporarily, connect an ethernet cable from your Mac to your AX
    Open AirPort Utility and click Manual Setup

    Click the Base Station tab to assign a device name, device password and adjust Time Zone settings

    Click the Wireless tab
    Wireless Mode = Extend a wireless network. If you do not see this choice, hold down the option key on your Mac as you click on the selection box
    Wireless Network Name = the name of your TC network should appear as a choice. Click to select
    Enter a check mark next to Allow wireless clients
    Wireless Security = Exact same setting as your TC network
    Wireless Password = Same password as your TC network
    Confirm Password again

    Update to save settings.

    In general, you want to position the AX about 1/2 to 2/3 of the distance between your AEBS and the area where you need more wireless coverage.
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