Photos version 3 and version 4 library incompatability.

I just realised that I cannot copy my Macbook Catalina Photos libraries to my High Sierra iMac and open them with Photos 3. The only solution I found here was to use iCloud as some sort of intermediary between Photos 3 and photos 4. Frankly that's unacceptable. Not everybody is sitting in Cupertino with gigabit broadband. The correct thing to do would have been to keep the libraries compatible or to add a feature to Photos 3 to read the new format - it couldn't have been very difficult.


I've been a programmer, manager and executive in the IT industry since 1976 and I'm disappointed with Apple's support for people running earlier releases of Mac OS on some of their devices. Much as I dislike Microsoft they do offer backward compatibility, as does IBM...... since 1964.


Have you anyway around this that doesn't involve uploading gigabytes and gigabytes of date to iCloud?

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Posted on Aug 11, 2020 10:21 AM

We have Mac computers from 2008 (OS 10.11) thru 2019 (OS 10.15) here with others in between (10.12, 10.14 ...) and have dealt with the iPhoto => Photos version compatibility challenges for some time. The latest change to Photos I feel was not value added, because the loss of the Masters internal folder which had all photos with their original names (from the camera) and ordered in folders by date was helpful, in the previous version. Now the naming and ordering is not discernible, it is hidden in a data base file. My daughter, a professional photographer, used to use Photos as a storage/repository for the original raw photos off the camera cards, she would then easily scan through them and do her serious work with them in Lightroom. Well, no more, now she has abandoned Photos as the raw storage repository because the tools she was using to parse the image folders to feed into Lightroom can't parse the new unfathomable folder structure. Instead she just uses Image Capture with the camera cards and puts the raw images into finder folders that she has logically named by date just like iPhoto and Photos used to.


With the previous internal folder structure, I think there was a chance for both forwards and backwards compatibility with Photos, but now of course older OS's cannot read the new Photos libraries. This is disappointing and in some cases inconvenient, but not surprising to me. After all, older versions of MS-Office, Adobe programs and many other tools eventually lose the ability to read the newest program files.


My only suggestions for working with Photos in High Sierra and with Catalina, assuming you cannot make use of the iCloud sync process due to bandwidth:


(1) Make the Catalina Photos library your working library and periodically "export" all the photos out, then reimport them into a Photos Library for High Sierra. Time consuming and inconvenient, at best. And you lose some customizations.

(2) Make the High Sierra Photos library your working library and periodically duplicate it so that Catalina Photos can work with that duplicate library. But this is also time consuming and inconvenient because then Catalina Photos has to go thru its "cataloguing, sorting ..." process every time you do this.

(3) Neither of (1) or (2) offers a convenient way to synchronize changes made to these now two separate libraries.

(4) Look for a different tool from Photos that will work across the 10.12 to 10.15 operating systems using the same data base. For example, I believe one of the versions of Lightroom Classic runs on both these platforms with the same data base. Lightroom is not free like Photos is, but it is not very expensive either and the license allows for it to be on two computers.


I don't know why Apple did this to the latest Photos. It's Apple's prerogative, but I think most consumers simply use Photos to store their photos and get rid of red eye, and maybe do some simple editing, cropping, lighting adjustment, etc. I don't know why the data base had to change so dramatically -- that's what has led to the lack of compatibility between versions.

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Aug 9, 2020 12:54 PM in response to ScullyJC

As a final point, As you suggested I Googled Capture one and their revenue is 38.78 million, Adobe's is revenue 11.17 billion, Apple's revenue is 260.2 billion. WTF is exclamation that comes to mind. I remember when Apple was a minnow and Jobs ousted by my namesake. With this attitude they'll be a minnow again. Not overnight, but in due course.

Aug 11, 2020 3:36 PM in response to steve626

Not sure why she was using Photos at all, as it's just adding complexity to her workflow. Everything she needed to do can be done with Lightroom Classic. Equally, she doesn't need Image Capture now either, she can do exactly that with LR Classic too. Using one app is less complicated.


The previous folder structure offered no forward or backward compatibility with either iPhoto or Photos.


No one outside of Apple knows why they did it either, but the best guesses I've seen suggest that it might be to facilitate cloud syncing.



Aug 12, 2020 10:39 AM in response to ScullyJC

If we're being informal:


Yo eggman


You're perfectly entitled to feel that. Good for you, I hope you enjoy your victimhood. I don't justify anything. I do point out that no one else does it in any field. No one in the photo management field, no one in word processing, no one in general databases and so on. You really have to read what I write, not what hope I've written.


Aug 12, 2020 3:27 PM in response to Yer_Man

With all due respect, you're very silly boy. You still haven't grasped backward compatibility yet and I've no idea what you are rambling on about. For example, you're use of the antiquated term "word processing". I think you will find the MS Word will still open any document it ever created. That equals BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY! What is a "general database", Oracle or DB2? of course they have backward compatibility. What's a "so on"?


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Aug 12, 2020 3:30 PM in response to ScullyJC

I think you will find the MS Word will still open any document it ever created. That equals BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY!


I believe we dealt with this earlier. You're quite correct. Current versions of Word will open older .doc files. However, older versions of Word will not open current .docx files. And you're quite correct, that is backwards compatibility - what I've been saying all along.



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Aug 13, 2020 11:08 AM in response to ScullyJC

Backward compatibility is that the new versions of your software can not only use its own new file access method (if any) but also to access previous version's files.


A breakthrough. Well done. Go back and re-read the thread and you'll see that's exactly what I have being saying all along. No need to apologise. Glad you got there.


Your assessment of Apple is, I'm sure, fascinating to you. To me, less so. Linux goes lovely with eggs.

Aug 13, 2020 3:30 PM in response to Yer_Man

I did look back on what you wrote.... "Backwards compatibility means that Newer versions of an app can (and here's a hint for you) look backwards to older versions and read the data. That way, older data is not trapped by updates. So, never versions of Word can read older .doc files, but older versions of Word cannot read .docx files".


The bit you are missing is that with backward compatibility older apps can continue to read the data, it's not a one way "migration". You state that "older data is not trapped by updates", of course it's trapped if older versions of the S/W can no longer read it.


Plus, we shouldn't limit this to data. Can Photos 3 run on Catalina? I don't know but for backwards compatibility it should, with its original library structure.


BTW, who ticked the box saying you solved the problem? Not me, your solution is "tough luck".


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