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Reformating a RAID 1 Drive

I'm told that Catalina does NOT support starting up on software RAID.


One of my external backup drives is a software RAID 1 disk. So, I'm wondering if I can just reformat it as a regular drive. Then, in order to backup to it, I will also need to convert it to an APFS disk. Right?


Is this correct? If so, I suppose the backup would go faster as the external drive has two disks in it. After I backed up, would I then be able to use the APFS volume as a startup disk, if I chose to do so? (I really want it for backup, not startup.)


Now, I'm also wondering if it's possible to un-raid and format each disk separately as an APFS volume. Then, I'd have to backup twice, as I'd have two APFS volumes in the same HD external container. Is that possible? And if I did so, would I be able to reboot, (if I wanted to use either one as a startup volume), would I be able to startup from either volume?

Posted on Sep 16, 2020 11:05 AM

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Posted on Sep 16, 2020 12:02 PM

See your later question.

Now, I'm also wondering if it's possible to un-raid and format each disk separately as an APFS volume. Then, I'd have to backup twice, as I'd have two APFS volumes in the same HD external container. Is that possible? And if I did so, would I be able to reboot, (if I wanted to use either one as a startup volume), would I be able to startup from either volume?

If you made them APFS, you wouldn't be able to back up to them via Time Machine.

I'm told that Catalina does NOT support starting up on software RAID.
One of my external backup drives is a software RAID 1

A Time Machine drive is not bootable, short of the Recovery volume that may be installed on a TM backup disk.

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Sep 16, 2020 12:02 PM in response to Stephen Souza1

See your later question.

Now, I'm also wondering if it's possible to un-raid and format each disk separately as an APFS volume. Then, I'd have to backup twice, as I'd have two APFS volumes in the same HD external container. Is that possible? And if I did so, would I be able to reboot, (if I wanted to use either one as a startup volume), would I be able to startup from either volume?

If you made them APFS, you wouldn't be able to back up to them via Time Machine.

I'm told that Catalina does NOT support starting up on software RAID.
One of my external backup drives is a software RAID 1

A Time Machine drive is not bootable, short of the Recovery volume that may be installed on a TM backup disk.

Sep 16, 2020 1:49 PM in response to Barney-15E

A Time Machine drive is not bootable, short of the Recovery volume that may be installed on a TM backup disk.

Barneyh-15E: I've always wondered about that when I get this when booting into another system by holding down the Option key:



I've never tried it as I didn't want to get into a slow boot or mess up my TM drive. Any idea why I'm seeing that?


And it doesn't show up in the System/Startup Disk preference pane.

Sep 16, 2020 12:44 PM in response to Stephen Souza1

Lots to process here:


> So, I'm wondering if I can just reformat it as a regular drive


You mean two regular drives, right? Or are you trying to maintain a RAID 1 volume, just not using APFS?


> Then, in order to backup to it, I will also need to convert it to an APFS disk. Right?


Not necessarily. It depends on your backup method - since you already mention SuperDuper, that's your limiting factor.

Ultimately, though, I'd generally try to format the backup drive in the same way as the source drive you're backing up (Time Machine not withstanding).


> If so, I suppose the backup would go faster as the external drive has two disks in it


Umm, no. If you format the drives as standalone (no RAID), then you're only backing up to one drive at a time.

Even if you retain the RAID 1 array you will get no speed benefit - RAID 1 mirrors the data to multiple drives, so may actually be SLOWER than single disk writes since the data has to be written two times - once to each drive. Now, this should happen in parallel, so the time difference should be negligible, but it certainly won't be faster than a single-disk solution.

RAID 0 would be faster - data is striped across two drives, so each drive only has to do 50% of the work. But you get no data protection in this model (if either disk dies, so does all your backup data).


> After I backed up, would I then be able to use the APFS volume as a startup disk, if I chose to do so?


Again, that depends on your backup strategy - are you cloning your boot drive, or backing it up? Clones may be bootable. Regular (differential) backups are not.


> Now, I'm also wondering if it's possible to un-raid and format each disk separately as an APFS volume


If you mean two separate drives, that should be possible. It's kind of what I assumed you meant from the beginning.


> I'd have two APFS volumes in the same HD external container. Is that possible?


Assuming the enclosure presents two drives to the OS, their physical placement is irrelevant (one enclosure, two enclosures, bare drives sitting on the desk... it's all the same to the OS since it doesn't have eyes to see their physical placement :) )


> And if I did so, would I be able to reboot, (if I wanted to use either one as a startup volume), would I be able to startup from either volume?


Again, if one (or both) the drives is a clone then you should be able to use it as a drop-in replacement for your internal drive. If it's a backup (such as a Time Machine backup) then not (although you can use this through Mac OS's Recovery Disk option).


Ultimately you need to decide what it is you're protecting against. Honestly, the failure rates of modern drives is pretty low, so the chances of your internal drive failing to the point of needing to boot from a backup is pretty low, and most people care about the data more - even if that needs to be restored to some other device.

If you're worrying about some other hardware-level failure in your system then there may be some benefit in being able to boot up some other machine with a recent point-in-time state, but depending on your machine (and the failure state), it may be easier to just remove the internal drive and attach it to some other system. Lots of options.



Sep 16, 2020 1:33 PM in response to Camelot

Well, in the first case: So, I'm wondering if I can just reformat it as a regular drive I meant just have it as one drive, with no RAID feature at all.


When you wrote Or are you trying to maintain a RAID 1 volume, just not using APFS? I don't think this will work for me because SuperDuper! tech support wrote that Catalina does NOT support booting up from a RAID 1 drive.


You wrote: Clones may be bootable. Yes, I'm almost positive that this is what SuperDuper! produces, because I have booted up in the past from a SuperDuper! external drive, and it's just like the internal HD.


You wrote: If you mean two separate drives, that should be possible. It's kind of what I assumed you meant from the beginning. It's what I meant in this case. In the beginning, I meant one drive, with the two disks merged in that the OS would recognize them as a single drive. In this case, the OS would see two separate drive.


This is very valuable to me, in making my decision: You wrote: Assuming the enclosure presents two drives to the OS, their physical placement is irrelevant (one enclosure, two enclosures, bare drives sitting on the desk... it's all the same to the OS since it doesn't have eyes to see their physical placement :) )


Thank you for doing all this work and taking all this time. The only thing I'm not sure of now is


Can I just format the disk as a single drive, no RAID at all, and make it an APFS drive, so that it can be booted from, and use that to clone the internal HD with the use of SuperDuper!?




Sep 17, 2020 3:44 AM in response to Stephen Souza1

Well, I tried to delete the RAID 1 feature, but that "Failed." This is on a LaCie Raid drive. So, erased the drive, which was just a clone of the internal Mac HD, and retitled it another TimeMachine drive and am backing up now on a second TimeMachine Raid 1 drive.


But, does anyone know why DISK UTILITY would not delete the RAID 1 feature of the drive? Is this something LaCie built in, that the drive must be a Raid drive?

Sep 17, 2020 1:20 PM in response to Stephen Souza1

> But, does anyone know why DISK UTILITY would not delete the RAID 1 feature of the drive? Is this something LaCie built in, that the drive must be a Raid drive?


That depends - does Disk Utility see both drives, and report them as a RAID set?

Or does it only see a single drive?


If the latter, then it may be that the LaCie enclosure is managing the RAID, presenting a single drive to the host system.

In. that case you need to check the LaCie docs to see how/if you can break that RAID.

Sep 18, 2020 11:31 AM in response to Camelot

Yes, Disk Utility does see both drives and report them as a RAID set.


I think it is the latter case. Well, I formatted the Disk as a TimeMachine one, which allowed me to keep the RAID 1 feature.


Now, if I had kept the RAID 1, and used it as a clone of the internal HD, using SuperDuper! software, I'm told that I could not start up from that external disk. But, would I still have a clone upon which I could keep copies of my apps and files? Or, would the RAID 1 format create errors or other problems for a cloned internal HD?

Reformating a RAID 1 Drive

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