Latest "Numbers" update

Anyone can help me?

I wish I could. This is a problem with how the app store works. Only the latest version is available for download and there is no access to older versions, even versions you might have had in the past. And it is compounded by incessant nagging about updates available, which you finally do because you get tired of the nagging (or you think the new features will be great), then you regret it later (like you are now).

I do not know if there is a way to roll back to an older version. It is technically possible, of course. You might try contacting Apple starting at https://getsupport.apple.com . This problem would be under Mac/Mac Apps/Numbers. I have never gone through that system so I don't know what might come from it.

Is this document stored in iCloud or as a file on a server of yours or somewhere else? I believe SGIII is suggesting using Numbers for iCloud via a web browser to access and edit the document. It should be universal across all your devices but I don't know if that's something you want to or can do, with your company data at iCloud and everyone logged into an iCloud account.

Playing around with it just now, it looks like iCloud Drive creates a security hole for companies with policies against storing data outside of the corporate firewall. I do not use iCloud for my documents but I have it "on" in preferences, with most of its options turned off. I did not realize until now that my new, unsaved Numbers documents are being "autosaved" to my iCloud account. If I am working on a document and have not yet saved it somewhere, it gets uploaded to Apple's servers. I just now went into my iCloud drive preferences (System Preferences/Internet Accounts/iCloud) and turned off nearly all apps. I thought it was giving me the option to save there, now I find it has been uploading my data there automatically in the background without my knowledge. It may be my iCloud account account protected by my password but, if it is corporate data, it is against our security to store it outside of the corporate firewall.

It is a valid solution. I wanted to point out the security aspect of it, though. Whether it is an issue or not depends on your business. My rant was more about what I found happening to my data, unbeknownst to me. Maybe "leak" is a more descriptive term than "hole", the data is leaking out to external servers but there is no entry.

You are spot-on about email. All our internal emails must be through the corporate email system, which is all stored within the corporate firewall. No internal communications go to external servers or through external networks except as encrypted traffic. When away from the office we need to 2-factor ID into the corporate network. For documents, we are not allowed to upload anything to Dropbox, iCloud, or anywhere else, not even temporarily. Our customers require this of us.

I’m a little surprised, Badunit, that you didn’t recognize that the iCloud setting, for an App, is a default storage location option.

So, it’s not actually saving to iCloud without your consent.

You were, apparently, simply unaware of what you were setting those Apps to do.

(One can always chose to save to iCloud anyway, of course.)

Halliday wrote:

I’m a little surprised, Badunit, that you didn’t recognize that the iCloud setting, for an App, is a default storage location option.

So, it’s not actually saving to iCloud without your consent.

You were, apparently, simply unaware of what you were setting those Apps to do.

(One can always chose to save to iCloud anyway, of course.)

** has a point. It could be made clearer that "Untitled" documents are "autosaved" to iCloud Drive even if you don't typically save documents to iCloud Drive.

SG

Oh, I quite agree, SGIII, that the “APPS USING ICLOUD” toggles could have a more explicit label, or an additional piece of explanatory text (as is used elsewhere).

It's a difficult problem if you have old devices and don't want to update them.

On your Mac you should be able to access and download the documents by signing into iCloud with your browser and going to Numbers for iCloud.

But the only truly usable solution is to keep all the devices up-to-date enough to run the latest version of the software.

SG

Badunit wrote:

I believe SGIII is suggesting using Numbers for iCloud via a web browser to access and edit the document. It should be universal across all your devices but I don't know if that's something you want to or can do, with your company data at iCloud and everyone logged into an iCloud account.

I was thinking at least there might be access to the documents if needed so they can be downloaded until a workable solution can be found. The only workable solution I see is to have all devices capable of running the latest versions of software.

I didn't mean to suggest iCloud is an option for company environments that prohibit it, or for companies that need "industrial strength" collaboration solutions.

I'd distinguish, however, between "security holes" that provide a way into the company network and security issues that are related to preserving confidentiality of data. After all, every time a document is so much as emailed outside the company it then resides on an outside server. That doesn't mean the recipient has a way into the company network.

It seems likely iCloud is far more secure than email, especially if you are using two-factor authentication and not just a simple password.

SG

Hmm…

I hadn’t notice Numbers “nagging” me to convert, all that much, cococo275.

However, your concern that someone else may respond to the “nag” by converting is legitimate!

(I had been going between a Numbers version 10.something vs. a Numbers version 6.1 system for quite some time, without noticing much “nagging”.

However, of late, my tables exceeded the version 6.1 limit in the number of columns, so those files cannot go back!)