Black MacBook operating system

Hi guys. I have an old MacBook from 2008 with its original operating system that cam with it. Can I update the system ? To which one?


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Posted on Dec 15, 2020 6:58 AM

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Posted on Jan 14, 2021 10:02 AM

zi227 wrote:

So I mean to say does apple official site sell a downloadable copy that I can purchase and download?

Re-read our posts. No, Apple's website no longer sells the DVD and it is not available as an official download from Apple. If you re-read @K Shaffer's last post he mentions that sometimes people can call Apple and have them sell the DVD, but that is extremely rare.

can I use someone else’s original DVDs to download the new system?

Yes, if they have a retail version. You cannot use a machine specific version which shipped with a Mac.


The apps on my current system (which is the old one that came with the MacBook ) can’t be updated anymore, Firefox doesn’t work properly, if I download any app I get a message saying that it does not operate with the current system because the system is too old , it almost does not support any new apps.

Very few current apps will work with OSX 10.6. The best you may achieve is using the PPC web browsers we have suggest that may be able to work if you install Rosetta.


If you want a more functional system with a more recent OS and current versions of common web browsers, then your only option is to install Linux as I suggested earlier (or purchase a new computer), but this requires you to learn a new OS and adjust to other non-Apple apps. You can easily test out Linux by booting one of the Linux installers I linked earlier which should also include an option to boot into Linux from the installer USB so you can test things out to see what it will be like (it will be extremely slow when used from a USB stick).

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Jan 14, 2021 10:02 AM in response to zi227

zi227 wrote:

So I mean to say does apple official site sell a downloadable copy that I can purchase and download?

Re-read our posts. No, Apple's website no longer sells the DVD and it is not available as an official download from Apple. If you re-read @K Shaffer's last post he mentions that sometimes people can call Apple and have them sell the DVD, but that is extremely rare.

can I use someone else’s original DVDs to download the new system?

Yes, if they have a retail version. You cannot use a machine specific version which shipped with a Mac.


The apps on my current system (which is the old one that came with the MacBook ) can’t be updated anymore, Firefox doesn’t work properly, if I download any app I get a message saying that it does not operate with the current system because the system is too old , it almost does not support any new apps.

Very few current apps will work with OSX 10.6. The best you may achieve is using the PPC web browsers we have suggest that may be able to work if you install Rosetta.


If you want a more functional system with a more recent OS and current versions of common web browsers, then your only option is to install Linux as I suggested earlier (or purchase a new computer), but this requires you to learn a new OS and adjust to other non-Apple apps. You can easily test out Linux by booting one of the Linux installers I linked earlier which should also include an option to boot into Linux from the installer USB so you can test things out to see what it will be like (it will be extremely slow when used from a USB stick).

Dec 15, 2020 1:33 PM in response to zi227

Looks like it could be an Early 2008 MacBook 13-inch with these other identifiers:


Introduced February 2008

Discontinued October 2008

Model Identifier MacBook4,1

Model Number A1181

EMC 2242

Order Number MB402LL/A (White), or MB403LL/A (White), or MB404LL/A (Black)


Original OS Mac OS X 10.5.2 (9C2015, 9C2028) Leopard

[or Snow Leopard 10.6.3 via DVD 'retail' installer disc set]


Maximum OS Mac OS X 10.7.5 (via Apple USB upgrade key or download)

Hardware Test AHT 3A143


Better to go with Snow Leopard; upgraded to 10.6.8.

Rather than Lion 10.7.5; as 10.6.3 includes install DVD.


Or a later MacBook Pro 2012 Mid-2012 ~ or newer.

This model could run Catalina; better w/ Mojave.


Good luck & happy trails!

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Dec 18, 2020 5:28 AM in response to K Shaffer

K Shaffer wrote:

Looks like it could be an Early 2008 MacBook 13-inch with these other identifiers:

Introduced February 2008
Discontinued October 2008
Model Identifier MacBook4,1
Model Number A1181
EMC 2242
Order Number MB402LL/A (White), or MB403LL/A (White), or MB404LL/A (Black)

Original OS Mac OS X 10.5.2 (9C2015, 9C2028) Leopard
[or Snow Leopard 10.6.3 via DVD 'retail' installer disc set]

Maximum OS Mac OS X 10.7.5 (via Apple USB upgrade key or download)
Hardware Test AHT 3A143

Better to go with Snow Leopard; upgraded to 10.6.8.
Rather than Lion 10.7.5; as 10.6.3 includes install DVD.

Or a later MacBook Pro 2012 Mid-2012 ~ or newer.
This model could run Catalina; better w/ Mojave.

Good luck & happy trails!
⛵️🌤🎣🤖🏕🐝⛄️

Thank you K Shaffer,

the original OS is MAC OS X 10.5.8

Dec 18, 2020 6:38 PM in response to zi227

If you find OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard isn't good enough (stay away from OSX 10.7 since there is a severe unpatched vulnerability), then another option is to install Linux on the laptop if the laptop has at least 2GB or RAM (4GB is best though). Linux Mint, or one of the Ubuntu flavors such as Kubuntu or Ubuntu MATE are good choices since they are easy to install on a Mac and work on older systems with limited memory.


It will require learning another operating system. Using Linux will allow you to have a current OS (non-Apple though) and access to the popular web browsers such as Firefox, Google Chrome, or Vivaldi. The USB installers for the Linux distributions I linked allow you to test it out before installing so you can see what Linux looks like. Keep in mind that Linux will run extremely slow when booted from a USB stick. Linux is not for everyone, but it is a good and free way to extend the life of an old computer.


Just make sure to copy all your important files from the laptop before installing Linux since you will need to erase the drive.


Also make sure to have either your original OSX 10.5 DVD or the retail version of the OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard DVD in case you prefer to go back to OSX.

Jan 13, 2021 2:41 PM in response to zi227

There is a way to use a USB memory and other means to install

this from an unofficial source. However the prescribed means to

have the proof-of-license ~ is have/own the retail DVD media.


[Rarer, some users were still able to ask about and get an official

copy of installer DVD from Apple Support(?) & pay fee to get it..]


• Installing Snow Leopard: What you need to know | Macworld

https://www.macworld.com/article/1142454/install-snow-leopard.html


https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=how+to+install+snow+leopard+from+apple+dvd&ia=web


Several sources and a few means to get this data exist; some are

not offered here as a cure to the missing media DVD. But you can

do some effort & learn how to utilize info files found here as cure.


An extra, within the official installer is "Rosetta." To run PPC apps

in the later Intel-based Mac OS X. This is very handy option.


Actual media DVD has an official Apple Part Number.

More than one number existed, for different versions.


(Retail Install DVD for "Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.3" operating system.

Version 10.62Z691-6558-A ~ one of a few part numbers.)


• Example of Foundling ~ in Wilds of the Web:

ebay.com Apple-OSX-Snow-Leopard-Mac-OS-X-OSX-10-6-Install-DVD

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=ebay.com+Apple-OSX-Snow-Leopard-Mac-OS-X-OSX-10-6-Install-DVD&ia=web


Another DIY search method - may include 'amazon' instead of 'eBay' - in search.


An example, info & answer, among those found in search:


• Install Snow Leopard from External FireWire or USB Hard Drive:

How to Upgrade without a DVD Drive | osxdaily

https://osxdaily.com/2009/09/02/install-snow-leopard-from-external-firewire-or-usb-hard-drive-or-how-to-upgrade-to-106-without-a-dvd-drive/


One of the more curious info sources ~ relies on one's innovation.


• Mac OS X Snow Leopard Install DVD : Apple (archive.org)

https://archive.org/details/SnowLeopardInstall


Good luck & happy computing!

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Jan 5, 2021 2:14 PM in response to zi227

Not unless you previously purchased or plan to purchase OSX 10.7 Lion, but you will need to have OSX 10.6 installed first so you have access to the App Store. Personally I would avoid OSX 10.7 Lion (even if you already paid for it) if the this laptop will be connected to the Internet since OSX 10.7 Lion has a severe unpatched vulnerability. OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard will do just as well and doesn't contain this vulnerability and may even be the better option if you need a web browser since it can use Rosetta to possibly run the PPC version of the TenFourFox web browser which you would need to browse the Internet on this laptop. OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard would need to be installed from the retail DVD version as indicated by @K Shaffer. You would need to purchase the OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard retail DVD online (most likely on eBay). You cannot use a machine specific Snow Leopard DVD which have gray labels and the specific machine printed on the DVD.


Personally I would go with Linux which gives you a current OS with access to all the major web browsers unless you have an old Apple app you are fond of, but make sure you have your original DVDs or the 10.6 Snow Leopard retail DVD so you can reinstall macOS if necessary.

Jan 14, 2021 8:46 AM in response to K Shaffer

So I mean to say does apple official site sell a downloadable copy that I can purchase and download?

can I use someone else’s original DVDs to download the new system?

The apps on my current system (which is the old one that came with the MacBook ) can’t be updated anymore, Firefox doesn’t work properly, if I download any app I get a message saying that it does not operate with the current system because the system is too old , it almost does not support any new apps.


Thank you

Dec 18, 2020 10:15 AM in response to zi227

Yes, an original Mac OS X for that model was Leopard 10.5.2, and had downloadable

updates to OS X 10.5.8. Then to up-grade, required a retail Snow Leopard 10.6.3 DVD

& download last/final step from Apple servers: 10.6.8. With option to buy Lion, 10.7.5.


The final upgrade(s); either additional system after 10.5.8. That, retail 10.6.3 & download

final update 10.6..8. {Some did get 10.7.5 Lion, (online or USB) ~And then paid $29.95 extra.}


[My early first-edition 2006 MacBook1.1 coreduo 1.83GHz 13-inch; shipped with 10.4.6 Tiger

w/update via download to Tiger 10.4.11. " EMC 2092" a 1.83GHz can't go past Snow Leopard.]


Found 'quirky issue' with these older Macs; they could run TenFourFox for Tiger/Leopard. Or

some first models whose system contained early Rosetta, their Intel-based hardware could

run that custom browser. This was the last secure browser for Intel-mac up to Snow Leopard.

For other internet usage, the TenFourFox still works with early Intel-based Mac hardware.


(And the quirk, is now the Apple discussions site won't load due to later security login page

unless the Two-Factor Authentication could work. ~ Unless you now use & run with 2FA; the

Apple site with two-factor 'workaround' to login, fails. Now 10.5.8 system chokes on login here!)


The developer for TenFourFox that ran in both versions Leopard (G3 version w/ Intel-Mac) and

standard G4 version in G4 Mac Mini, used to to very good online ~ accessed Apple community

until last about two weeks ago. Then, the older login link was changed, to only allow newer 2FA

going into this discussions area; and a curious 'kernel' error now occurs to both Leopard builds.


Rather than change all my logins to test the Apple community login 2FA theory, across all Apple

access, I've stopped using older Leopard 10.5.8/Tiger10.4.11 at Apple support communities with

TenFourFox browser since its unstable in both G4 version and special 'rosetta' G3_TenFourFox

in the Early Intel-based Mac. Had used this for more than three years with MacBook. 'Til last week.


Have yet to prove the issues exist between two TenFourFox builds (for hardware difference, and

Apple security features recently changed.) That happens; Mac freezes/fails w/ Kernel-Error codes.


So if you have been reading error kernel crash-codes with Late 2005 PPC mac or Early 2006 Intel

Mac; I find changes to Apple discussions site security ~ tends to make most unusable condition.

{..And this status is an ongoing problem; with otherwise highly stable TenFourFox, online..}


Thought to mention this, the error Kernel code usually goes into Memory status; while only in

Apple discussions, logged in. (Had also happened awhile, with El Capitan in newer intel-mac.)


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