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Dear Community,
I have a MacBookPro 16' with T2 chip with the latest version of MacOS
Can anyone explain why there are three versions of the operating system and why the version numbers of some installations are written with commas instead of dots?
Fake Big Sur?
Thank you in advance.
MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 11.1
HMBAKU wrote:
My localization does not change dots to commas
Yes it does.
Logically, I cannot have apple configurator version written with dots while OS versions are written with commas- both are Apple products. Am I right?
No. You are incorrect.
Look more closely at the output from your first screenshot of installations. Some entries have commas and some have dots. Do you notice any pattern? All entries with dots have more than one dot. All entries with commas have exactly one comma. What is happening is that all of these values are strings where the developer can put anything they want in them. The display is looking for "numbers" such as "11.1". If it can convert that "number" into a real number, then it will do that and display it according to your localization preferences. When it does that, you get a comma. According to that screenshot, you are using localization for Azerbaijan. According to Wikipedia, Azerbaijan uses commas. But if the number conversion fails, because something like "15.13.7" is not a valid number, then it just displays the string that it has.
Version numbers in software traditionally have up to 3 components, and sometimes more. The first component is the major version. The second is the minor version. The 3rd component is the "bug fix" version. Big Sur is relatively new and doing funky things with versions, jumping to "11.0" from Catalina's "10.15.7". In fact, Apple even has another, entirely separate version numbering scheme. As far as I know, Apple kept both version numbering schemes more or less in sync for the past 20 years, up until Big Sur.
Moreover, I am not a developer. Somebody enrolled me to the program without me knowing it.
No. They didn't.
This is confirmed by the following screen where the frameworks are from an an unknown developer.
No. That's normal. You are looking at the output of the System Profiler app. It lists all kind of information about the system, from software installations, to frameworks, to printers, to smart cards, to disk interfaces, to networks... I could go on and on.
This problem has been persistent since summer of 2020 and I could not get rid of it. I have done several clean installs.
There is no problem. Stop doing that.
Etrecheck downloaded from Etresoft's website (App Store says it is not available for my region) did not find anything.
Then it sounds like EtreCheck is working properly.
Unfortunately, Azerbaijan is on the Exhibit B.2 list in the Apple Developer agreement where it says, "Apple shall not collect and remit the taxes described in Section 3.2 of this Schedule 2 for sales of the Licensed Applications to End-Users located in the countries listed below as updated from time to time via the App Store Connect site. You shall be solely responsible for the collection and remittance of such taxes as may be required by local law." Since I don't want to be arrested, extradited, and dragged into an Azerbaijani court for non-payment of VAT, I do not allow any sales in Azerbaijan. My direct sales via EtreCheckPro use Paddle.com instead of Apple and Paddle also does collect VAT in Azerbaijan. You will be able to download and use EtreCheckPro for free, but you will not be able to purchase the Power User package. Sorry.
Why do I tell you all of this? It is a feeble attempt to convey just how complicated and difficult it is to develop software and make it available for download to anybody in the world. There is a lot to consider from the displays of commas to the relative market size and e-commerce laws. In short, it's complicated. Don't spend any time trying to figure it out. Please don't jump to any assumptions about "fake" software or "hacking". There is a reason for everything. Programmers are human. They make mistakes, they over-estimate their abilities, and they try to be funny and clever in inappropriate times.
HMBAKU wrote:
My localization does not change dots to commas
Yes it does.
Logically, I cannot have apple configurator version written with dots while OS versions are written with commas- both are Apple products. Am I right?
No. You are incorrect.
Look more closely at the output from your first screenshot of installations. Some entries have commas and some have dots. Do you notice any pattern? All entries with dots have more than one dot. All entries with commas have exactly one comma. What is happening is that all of these values are strings where the developer can put anything they want in them. The display is looking for "numbers" such as "11.1". If it can convert that "number" into a real number, then it will do that and display it according to your localization preferences. When it does that, you get a comma. According to that screenshot, you are using localization for Azerbaijan. According to Wikipedia, Azerbaijan uses commas. But if the number conversion fails, because something like "15.13.7" is not a valid number, then it just displays the string that it has.
Version numbers in software traditionally have up to 3 components, and sometimes more. The first component is the major version. The second is the minor version. The 3rd component is the "bug fix" version. Big Sur is relatively new and doing funky things with versions, jumping to "11.0" from Catalina's "10.15.7". In fact, Apple even has another, entirely separate version numbering scheme. As far as I know, Apple kept both version numbering schemes more or less in sync for the past 20 years, up until Big Sur.
Moreover, I am not a developer. Somebody enrolled me to the program without me knowing it.
No. They didn't.
This is confirmed by the following screen where the frameworks are from an an unknown developer.
No. That's normal. You are looking at the output of the System Profiler app. It lists all kind of information about the system, from software installations, to frameworks, to printers, to smart cards, to disk interfaces, to networks... I could go on and on.
This problem has been persistent since summer of 2020 and I could not get rid of it. I have done several clean installs.
There is no problem. Stop doing that.
Etrecheck downloaded from Etresoft's website (App Store says it is not available for my region) did not find anything.
Then it sounds like EtreCheck is working properly.
Unfortunately, Azerbaijan is on the Exhibit B.2 list in the Apple Developer agreement where it says, "Apple shall not collect and remit the taxes described in Section 3.2 of this Schedule 2 for sales of the Licensed Applications to End-Users located in the countries listed below as updated from time to time via the App Store Connect site. You shall be solely responsible for the collection and remittance of such taxes as may be required by local law." Since I don't want to be arrested, extradited, and dragged into an Azerbaijani court for non-payment of VAT, I do not allow any sales in Azerbaijan. My direct sales via EtreCheckPro use Paddle.com instead of Apple and Paddle also does collect VAT in Azerbaijan. You will be able to download and use EtreCheckPro for free, but you will not be able to purchase the Power User package. Sorry.
Why do I tell you all of this? It is a feeble attempt to convey just how complicated and difficult it is to develop software and make it available for download to anybody in the world. There is a lot to consider from the displays of commas to the relative market size and e-commerce laws. In short, it's complicated. Don't spend any time trying to figure it out. Please don't jump to any assumptions about "fake" software or "hacking". There is a reason for everything. Programmers are human. They make mistakes, they over-estimate their abilities, and they try to be funny and clever in inappropriate times.
HMBAKU wrote:
Version numbers are separated with commas instead of dots in system report
Dear Community,
I have a MacBookPro 16' with T2 chip with the latest version of MacOS
Can anyone explain why there are three versions of the operating system and why the version numbers of some installations are written with commas instead of dots?
Fake Big Sur?
Fake Big Sur....? No.
Depending on your localized Keyboard, your Country code preferences, etc.
This is common numbering convention and not an issue.
If you do not like it or would like something different or would like to add your input
submit your Apple Feedback http://www.apple.com/feedback
Apple uses its Software Update service (which also drives system software updates that show in the App Store or via the softwareupdate command-line tool) as a mechanism for installing “background and critical” updates that are installed silently in the background with no notifications to the user.
You can read more:
macOS - Security - Apple https://www.apple.com/macos/security/
Apple Platform Security - Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/security/welcome/web
HMBAKU wrote:
Thank you for your explanation. But why are there three instances of Big Sur, XProtect and MRTConfig?
HMBAKU— If the above explanation does not satisfy your curiosity contact Apple directly and ask them.
—Call Customer Support (800) MY–APPLE (800–692–7753)
—on-line https://getsupport.apple.com/
—Outside the USA—Contact Apple for support and service by phone
See a list of Apple phone numbers around the world.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201232
good luck !
Dear Etresoft,
Many thanks for your answer. It exactly addresses my concern.
My localization does not change dots to commas
Logically, I cannot have apple configurator version written with dots while OS versions are written with commas- both are Apple products. Am I right?
Moreover, I am not a developer. Somebody enrolled me to the program without me knowing it.
This is confirmed by the following screen where the frameworks are from an an unknown developer.
This problem has been persistent since summer of 2020 and I could not get rid of it. I have done several clean installs. Etrecheck downloaded from Etresoft's website (App Store says it is not available for my region) did not find anything. I am attaching defaults read command's print for your kind review, if possible. I have highlighted things that look weird to me but, again, I have no clue what is written there.
Thank you very much for your support. I really appreciate it.
Control (right) - click on the Telegraph app and select Show Package Contents from the contextual menu. Look for the file titled "Info.plist" and copy it to the Desktop. Open the plist file with a text editor and search for the text string "7,3". If you find it then that's how the developer listed the version no. If you don't find it search for "7.3". If it's listed as 7.3 then your Mac is doing the changing from period to comma. I doubt that's the case as all of the versions would have commas.
HMBAKU wrote:
Can anyone explain why there are three versions of the operating system and why the version numbers of some installations are written with commas instead of dots?
Both the name of an installation and the version are just text strings. The developer can put anything in there they want. Apple can have three different installers all with the same name. Developers can also use any versioning system they want, with commas, letters, or anything else.
Thank you for your explanation. But why are there three instances of Big Sur, XProtect and MRTConfig?
Thank you for your help
Telegram version is listed as 7.3 (no comma) in Info.plist
But Apple would never list Big Sur version with commas and the Apple Configurator with dots!
Thank you very much!
Version numbers are separated with commas instead of dots in system report
