USB SuperDrive Corrupts files it burns to disk

I'm using a new (2020) iMac with a USB SuperDrive to backup my photo files to DVDs. I've been doing this for years with my older Macs. This time the .jpg (and .mov) files are corrupted during the burn, but only if I burn a large number of them. If I just burn 5 or 6 files, no problem. I bought a new USB SuperDrive but that didn't solve the problem. I took the problem to Apple Support (chat and phone), spent several hours with them trying to sort it out (including downloading the latest OS [Big Sur], creating another account on the Mac, etc.) to no avail. The problem persists. Apple Support can't seem to tease out the problem, so I'm wondering if anyone one here might have a solution to try. BTW, the drive reads all disks, well. It's just a burn problem with multiple files. Thanks for any help.


iMac 27″, macOS 11.1

Posted on Feb 2, 2021 2:57 PM

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Posted on Feb 3, 2021 7:55 AM

Most people I encounter who have issues tend to use the cheapest no name DVDs which typically are terrible. However, even a major brand can have manufacturing defects or the DVD can even wear/degrade due to age, plus some may need to be burned at a slower speed even if they are supposed to support faster writes. I rarely burn DVDs, but there are two standards as well "-R" and "+R". Sometimes it can make a difference depending on how the DVD is to be used, but I don't recall the specifics since I rarely burned DVDs even years ago.


It is also possible you have a software issue that causes the system to slow down during the longer DVD writing sessions which could make the session fail.


Run EtreCheck and post the report here using the "Additional Text" icon which looks like a piece of paper.


Also run Disk Utility First Aid on the hidden Container. Within Disk Utility click on "View" and select "Show All Devices" so that the hidden Container appears on the left pane of Disk Utility to be selected. Even if First Aid reports everything as "Ok" click on "Show Details" to look for any unfixed errors or warnings. If you see any unfixed errors, then you will need to erase the whole physical drive and restore from a backup or clone.


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Feb 3, 2021 7:55 AM in response to donfromduffield

Most people I encounter who have issues tend to use the cheapest no name DVDs which typically are terrible. However, even a major brand can have manufacturing defects or the DVD can even wear/degrade due to age, plus some may need to be burned at a slower speed even if they are supposed to support faster writes. I rarely burn DVDs, but there are two standards as well "-R" and "+R". Sometimes it can make a difference depending on how the DVD is to be used, but I don't recall the specifics since I rarely burned DVDs even years ago.


It is also possible you have a software issue that causes the system to slow down during the longer DVD writing sessions which could make the session fail.


Run EtreCheck and post the report here using the "Additional Text" icon which looks like a piece of paper.


Also run Disk Utility First Aid on the hidden Container. Within Disk Utility click on "View" and select "Show All Devices" so that the hidden Container appears on the left pane of Disk Utility to be selected. Even if First Aid reports everything as "Ok" click on "Show Details" to look for any unfixed errors or warnings. If you see any unfixed errors, then you will need to erase the whole physical drive and restore from a backup or clone.


Feb 22, 2021 5:57 PM in response to donfromduffield

Uninstall CleanMyMac, Trusteer, and Sophos anti-virus apps by following the developer's instructions. Anti-virus software, cleaning apps, and third party security software is not needed on a Mac and they cause more problems than they solve plus they impact system performance. Even if you did need to use an anti-virus app you don't ever want to use more than one of them as they end up stepping on each other causing even more problems than a single anti-virus app.


I did not look at the EtreCheck beyond this point since these apps add way too much noise to parse in the report.


If you continue to have issues, then run EtreCheck again after uninstalling these apps and posting a new report.


It is possible the built-in optical drive is bad so you can try using an external USB DVD burner.

Feb 25, 2021 11:53 AM in response to donfromduffield

There is no reason to ever install or run any 3rd party "cleaning", "optimizing", "speed-up", anti-virus, VPN or security apps on your Mac.  This user tip describes what you need to know and do in order to protect your Mac: Effective defenses against malware and other threats - Apple Community   


That being said you should do what HWTech suggested, definitely.


Also how are you getting the videos from your Photos library to the DVD for burning? Have you exported any of them to the Desktop and tested them to verify that they will play?


Also burn at the slowest speed possible when burning to a disc. That will allow the optical drive to produce the best quality disc it can, i.e. more time over each spot burned.


Feb 23, 2021 9:02 PM in response to donfromduffield

donfromduffield wrote:

Second, anti-virus software. Seems like the few times I come to this forum and send an EtreCheck report, that's the first thing people tell me...... But that's definitely not the opinion of numerous experts outside of Apple itself. Just Google the issue and you find many articles in tech magazines recommending lists of anti-virus software, including why Macs need them.

Those people making those recommendations are journalists and they are not supporting Macs every day. Just search these forums and you will find the majority of posts are issues caused by anti-virus software, cleaning apps, and third party security software. Users uninstall these unnecessary apps and their Macs start working properly again. That is why all the regular contributors on these forums tell users to uninstall these apps.


macOS contains enough security to prevent any infections of malware if the user practices some basic safe computing habits by being extremely careful of the software they install (only install from the developer's official sources) and by not clicking on any links in e-mails (even from trusted friends & family) without first verifying the links are genuine & safe, and by carefully choosing the websites you visit and the external links you access on those websites. When macOS prompts you for your admin password take the time to stop & think about what you are doing and be careful on the permissions you give to apps to access your storage drive, camera, etc. If you do this you should never have need of any anti-virus software on a Mac. If you do get infected with adware or malware, then run MalwareBytes to remove the malicious software.


When I returned to a Mac after 15 years dealing with Windows systems, I asked the Apple "genius" selling me the machine what anti-virus software I should use. He recommended Sophos. I did the research and it was highly recommended. That was many years ago and it has found some malware every once in a while. So, I'm not inclined to delete it. Installing Trusteer was a requirement made by my bank before I could use its online banking system. So, I'm not inclined to delete it.

If your bank requires you to have anti-virus software installed and they check to make sure you have an anti-virus solution installed, then you don't have a lot of choices if you want to use that Mac to do your banking. If you need an anti-virus app on a Mac, then use MalwareBytes. MalwareBytes seems to work the best and causes the least amount of problems on a Mac. If your bank actually checks that you have anti-virus software installed, then see if they will allow MalwareBytes (explain the situation that the other solutions cause issues on Macs).


The "genius" is also told to sell stuff whether it is really needed or not. They don't always have your best interests in mind.


Similarly, I am quite happy with Clean My Mac. When I first bought it, I was having speed issues, and Clean My Mac readily fixed them, something the Mac system would not do.

CMM is one of the worst pieces of software for a Mac since probably 75% of the threads on these forums are solved by uninstalling CMM. Yes CMM may "work" for some things, but it has been shown to be absolutely unreliable on these forums and is always implicated in system performance issues. If an app doesn't properly uninstall itself, then you need to check with the developer for manual instructions for removing the remnants of the app or make the developr provide an adequate uninstaller. Another option is to use EtreCheck to show you the remnants of the partially uninstalled app so that you can manually delete the remaining files.


Third, just for clarification, my USB SuperDrive (CD/DVD burner) is not built-in, as Apple gave up putting such drives into Macs a while back. I did replace the drive thinking (hoping) that was the issue, but the new USB SuperDrive would not burn as advertised. ..... The problem is definitely with the system, I'm assuming somewhere between Mojave and Catalina/Big Sur some software got altered and since Apple no longer supports disk use, the issue has not and probably will not be addressed.

I have since moved on to non-Apple solutions.

I haven't burned a CD/DVD on a Mac (or any computer) in many many years so I cannot say if macOS has any issues here. It wouldn't surprise me as the quality and reliability of macOS has really gone down hill in recent years.


I know the Apple SuperDrive is very finicky so using a non-Apple CD/DVD burner is probably better (some SuperDrives won't work on some Macs and they won't work unless connected directly to a Mac).


Even if you purchased "new" DVDs they may still have been sitting on a shelf for a while and may not be that healthy since CD/DVDs do degrade over time, plus I'm sure the manufacturing quality has diminished a bit in recent years.

Feb 25, 2021 9:51 AM in response to babowa

Thanks, babowa!


I was using the onboard Apple software. But thought your suggestion of changing the software might work, so I downloaded Roxio Titanium that is compatible with Big Sur. I tested it with a CD in the USB SuperDrive. On clicking the burn button, I was informed that my files could not be burned because of issues with the data...? Perplexed, I thought about it for a while and wondered if the files being on Dropbox might have something to do with it, the time having to download the file from the cloud affecting the burn....?


Downloading my files to an external drive was going to be my next move if all this failed, but I thought perhaps if I downloaded some slides to a thumb drive, I could then see if I could burn files from the thumb drive to the CD using Roxio. So, I dragged some files and dropped them onto the thumb drive and was immediately provided the following error message:


"The Finder can't complete the operation because some data in abc.jpg can't be read or written."


On further investigation, I found several files Finder would not transfer to the thumb drive. I opened these files with Preview and they displayed just fine. I also sent a few of these files in emails to see how they would transfer that way, and they did so, no problem.


Then I decided to transfer the files to my TimeMachine external hard drive. I received the same message. Certain files would not transfer.


So now, I'm completely flummoxed. What the heck is going on with Finder and file transfers, whether to external drives or a CD/DVD?

Feb 25, 2021 10:51 AM in response to donfromduffield

I was using the onboard Apple software


Just out of curiosity: what "onboard" Apple software? I don't know of a way that ** or Finder can properly encode a video file and/or burn a disk readable in an external player. It will burn discs you can play in the same computer, but not an external player.


Possible problem #2: I don't know what format your files are in, especially if they are slides. Best check with Roxio to see if they support whatever format it is.


Possible problem #3: I also have not attempted to encode or burn anything - no matter the format - while running Big Sur as that it not my daily OS of choice (I do run it on an MBA, but don't use that for working with images, video, etc). So I cannot say if that may or may not have anything to do with it.


And, if it is just photos (have no experience with slides), why not simply use an external hard drive - a lot easier and, as long as it is formatted for Mac, just drag + drop.

Feb 18, 2021 4:51 PM in response to HWTech

OK. I finally got to a shop to buy some Verbatim CD-Rs to see if they would make a difference, and they don't. The problem persisted. I also ran the Disk Utility First Aid program as you described, and found no

issues there.


So, my last resort is to provide the EtreCheck report and it is attached as 'additional text'. I must say that I found a lot of the issues the report found to be bogus. For example, it says my Time Machine is not functional, but it is. It's working just fine.


Anyway, if this can't be resolved I'll resign myself to the fact that burning disks is no longer a function at least on my iMac and I will do as my daughter suggests: just use the cloud, as I already do; but I'm old-school and prefer to have something physical. Thanks for your help.

Feb 23, 2021 3:11 PM in response to HWTech

First, I want to thank you for your help. You did not solve the problem (neither could the Apple Techs) but I appreciate the effort.


Second, anti-virus software. Seems like the few times I come to this forum and send an EtreCheck report, that's the first thing people tell me: Mac operates OK without 3rd party anti-virus software. But that's definitely not the opinion of numerous experts outside of Apple itself. Just Google the issue and you find many articles in tech magazines recommending lists of anti-virus software, including why Macs need them. When I returned to a Mac after 15 years dealing with Windows systems, I asked the Apple "genius" selling me the machine what anti-virus software I should use. He recommended Sophos. I did the research and it was highly recommended. That was many years ago and it has found some malware every once in a while. So, I'm not inclined to delete it. Installing Trusteer was a requirement made by my bank before I could use its online banking system. So, I'm not inclined to delete it. Similarly, I am quite happy with Clean My Mac. When I first bought it, I was having speed issues, and Clean My Mac readily fixed them, something the Mac system would not do.


Third, just for clarification, my USB SuperDrive (CD/DVD burner) is not built-in, as Apple gave up putting such drives into Macs a while back. I did replace the drive thinking (hoping) that was the issue, but the new USB SuperDrive would not burn as advertised. So, I returned the new drive and will use the old drive just to read the many CDs and DVDs I have. The problem is definitely with the system, I'm assuming somewhere between Mojave and Catalina/Big Sur some software got altered and since Apple no longer supports disk use, the issue has not and probably will not be addressed.


I have since moved on to non-Apple solutions.


Thanks again for your help and time.


Don

Feb 25, 2021 5:00 PM in response to babowa

>Just out of curiosity: what "onboard" Apple software? I don't know of a way that ** or Finder can properly encode a video file and/or burn a disk readable in an external player. It will burn discs you can play in the same computer, but not an external player.<


I use the Finder process of setting up a burn-folder with mostly photographs (.jpgs). These are unedited files I've downloaded from my various cameras and wish to back up. I then have Finder burn the burn folder to disk (either CD or DVD) on the USB SuperDrive attached directly to my iMac. I've done this successfully for at least 20 years now on three Macs until now. If I'm making a video to use on another reader (which I seldom do), I use iMovie.


>Possible problem #2: I don't know what format your files are in, especially if they are slides. Best check with Roxio to see if they support whatever format it is.<


Roxio and Finder support .jpgs as well as a host of other data files people might want to back up on disk.


>Possible problem #3: I also have not attempted to encode or burn anything - no matter the format - while running Big Sur as that it not my daily OS of choice (I do run it on an MBA, but don't use that for working with images, video, etc). So I cannot say if that may or may not have anything to do with it.<


I'm thinking that Big Sur is indeed the problem and am trying to figure out how to let Apple know this, as the techs and this forum don't appear to.


>And, if it is just photos (have no experience with slides), why not simply use an external hard drive - a lot easier and, as long as it is formatted for Mac, just drag + drop.<


As I explained earlier, that's exactly what I did (drag and drop files to an external drive) and I found the same problem there. Some (not all) files would not transfer. I'm thinking Big Sur doesn't like external anything and I'm now regret installing it, increasing my paranoia about upgrading software these days.


(I'm not alone here, I know of several writers/photographers who hold onto old systems and hardware because they fear what they might lose in an upgrade.)



Feb 25, 2021 5:14 PM in response to Old Toad

>Also how are you getting the videos from your Photos library to the DVD for burning? Have you exported any of them to the Desktop and tested them to verify that they will play?<


As I said above, I don't do a lot of videos. As I've said way before, all the files I have tried and failed to burn to disk or copy onto an external hard drive I have viewed and edited on the iMac, no problem. The issue is that Big Sur won't transfer some of them to an Apple burner or an external hard drive.


>Also burn at the slowest speed possible when burning to a disc. That will allow the optical drive to produce the best quality disc it can, i.e. more time over each spot burned.<


I've burned at high and low speeds. It doesn't matter. Some files just don't transfer. I've never had this problem before, and although I take your suggestion about "best policy", that is not the problem here.




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