iMac freezing and crashing

OK, I've asked this question 3 times now and got nothing, no one has even read my Etrecheck report. Am I invisible??????????

My iMac is freezing and crashing during Zoom calls, while using OBS and NDI, and when mastering videos on FCPX.

Etrecheck report attached. Please help!!!



iMac 27″, macOS 10.14

Posted on Feb 23, 2021 8:12 AM

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Posted on Feb 23, 2021 11:56 AM

Good followup info. Thank you.


I noticed in a forum that someone had mentioned excess CPU usage from the Photos app and solved it with AppTamer so I tried that.


I saw that in your first EC report but not the second, so did not mention it. You don't need a third party solution to fix that "photoanalysisd" problem--and it is a known problem. As crazy as it sounds, opening Photos will stop it. See this interesting outside article:


https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/310594/what-is-photoanalysisd-and-why-is-it-using-77-of-my-cpu


I think you can now safely uninstall AppTamer after reading that article. I suspect AT falls under the "cleaning apps" pall.


Could using a second monitor be an issue? It's a Samsung TV. My previous iMac had a problem with its GPU overheating I think


It could. I know I've had a couple of MBPs show higher temps when I used an external monitor. The bigger the external screen, the more work the computer has to do. However, if you are casting to the TV or an set-top video box like an Apple TV, I don't think the demands on the computer are as high.


My 90 day Apple coverage is up, how to I speak to them?


Even Apple refurbs have a one-year warranty. You can confirm what coverage remains with this Apple support page:


Check Your Service and Support Coverage - Apple Support


I just ran Etrecheck 5.7.1, the highest version of the free version, on my iMac 5K from 2017 and it shows a non-zero value for i/o speed. It could be reporting error or a simple difference in whose Apple's SSD vendor is. If things get better otherwise, I'd not sweat it.


I still see CMM, or a component thereof.:


Launch Daemons:

[Loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac4.Agent.plist (? 0 - installed )


We're chipping away at this.!

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Feb 23, 2021 11:56 AM in response to Skatz the Singer

Good followup info. Thank you.


I noticed in a forum that someone had mentioned excess CPU usage from the Photos app and solved it with AppTamer so I tried that.


I saw that in your first EC report but not the second, so did not mention it. You don't need a third party solution to fix that "photoanalysisd" problem--and it is a known problem. As crazy as it sounds, opening Photos will stop it. See this interesting outside article:


https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/310594/what-is-photoanalysisd-and-why-is-it-using-77-of-my-cpu


I think you can now safely uninstall AppTamer after reading that article. I suspect AT falls under the "cleaning apps" pall.


Could using a second monitor be an issue? It's a Samsung TV. My previous iMac had a problem with its GPU overheating I think


It could. I know I've had a couple of MBPs show higher temps when I used an external monitor. The bigger the external screen, the more work the computer has to do. However, if you are casting to the TV or an set-top video box like an Apple TV, I don't think the demands on the computer are as high.


My 90 day Apple coverage is up, how to I speak to them?


Even Apple refurbs have a one-year warranty. You can confirm what coverage remains with this Apple support page:


Check Your Service and Support Coverage - Apple Support


I just ran Etrecheck 5.7.1, the highest version of the free version, on my iMac 5K from 2017 and it shows a non-zero value for i/o speed. It could be reporting error or a simple difference in whose Apple's SSD vendor is. If things get better otherwise, I'd not sweat it.


I still see CMM, or a component thereof.:


Launch Daemons:

[Loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac4.Agent.plist (? 0 - installed )


We're chipping away at this.!

Feb 23, 2021 9:52 AM in response to Skatz the Singer

OK, I've asked this question 3 times now and got nothing, no one has even read my Etrecheck report. Am I invisible??????????


Not invisible but it could be attitude. This isn't social media, nor are you talking to Apple. You dumped on a long-serving and very experienced senior contributor who has read thousands of EtreCheck reports. Remember, no one here can see or touch your computer so we have to work only from reports like EtreCheck, user information, and our experience.


When you read as many of those as we have, you understand that all cleaning apps will slow and/or destabilize a modern Mac by conflicting with its with its sophisticated auto-maintenance routines programmed into the OS.


So I will put that behind us and work with the current report. Cleaning apps, especially CMM, have to be removed to prevent their masking other issues. I am glad so see CMM gone now.


This, regarding your SSD, concerns me a bit:


Performance:

System Load: 1.50 (1 min ago) 1.75 (5 min ago) 1.51 (15 min ago)

Nominal I/O speed: 0.00 MB/s

File system: 17.72 seconds

Write speed: 2830 MB/s

Read speed: 2165 MB/s


I collect EtreCheck drive reports and have never seen a nominal I/O speed reported as zero. You may want Apple to evaluate. There is a newer free version of Etrecheck available (5.7.1) that you may wish to run to see if the zero speed score is a reporting bug.


You have some apps installed I do not recognize but EtreCheck is not flagging them. What I see in your description is that the apps you were using at the time of shutdown are high-demand and, if the cooling vents on your iMac are impeded, the processor will slow to deal with the heat and, should that not help, the computer does a safety shutdown. So that is a possibility. A temp monitor test I ran on a 2017 iMac 27 5K shows that a one-hour Zoom meeting can raise CPU temps as high as those posted by high-demand, graphics-intense sims and games.


Chrome is a resource hog that can contribute to higher temps. I would not leave it open in the background.


Cooling-related things to check:

  • Stuff stacked between the work surface and bottom of the screen blocks incoming cool air. \Keep that ~3-inch clearance at all times.
  • Having the screen tipped fully forward restricts the flow of exhaust air, increasing temps.


I would start by insuring your computer can freely inhale and exhale. Then look at some of the older apps you have installed and see if they are really needed. I saw at least one that was three years older than your computer. Some older apps not updated have been reported to create stability issues.


This is an odd issue and may not have a "one-post" solution. There may be some back-and-forth to reach a solution or a recommendation to have Apple evaluate.

Feb 23, 2021 11:15 AM in response to Allan Jones

Thanks Allan, apologies for my outburst, this problem has driven me mad for months and all of my work depends on it right now, and it's all on about live streaming or Zoom. Plus I knew the cleaning app was only installed a few days ago to try to resolve the issue.

Anyway, it's gone now, thanks for your answer, I've cleared a few programs like XQuartz and Gimp which I don't use anyway, cleared more space around the iMac, and downloaded the latest Etrecheck and re-run it. Nominal I/O speed still showing as Zero. My 90 day Apple coverage is up, how to I speak to them?

I have tended to open Zoom on Chrome, so I've now set my browser to Safari.

Could using a second monitor be an issue? It's a Samsung TV. My previous iMac had a problem with its GPU overheating I think

I noticed in a forum that someone had mentioned excess CPU usage from the Photos app and solved it with AppTamer so I tried that.

You can see the following on the latest Etrecheck report I've attached.

Even with AppTamer running and supposedly stopping this 'photoanalysisd' process it's still showing a huge percentage:

Top Processes Snapshot by CPU:

    Process (count) CPU (Source - Location)

    photoanalysisd 122.08 % (Apple)


My Photos app isn't even open.

In Applications the old iPhotos app is still there. I don't know if that's relevant.





Feb 23, 2021 1:05 PM in response to Allan Jones

Thanks,

I don't know how to clean that Launch Daemon away. How do I find it?

I've tried loads of ways to shut down the Photo analysis to no avail. I took the attached screen shot of Activity Monitor while Photos was open, and it's taking more than 100% of CPU, which doesn't sound possible. All of its figures are really high, %CPU, CPU Time, Threads. I tried moving the library and other ways mentioned on the forums. Nothing has stopped it.

Before I turned off AppTamer, I noticed that photoanalysisd kept clicking in occasionally anyway even when it was being blocked.

With Photos turned on, there's a bar at the bottom of the Photos section that's remained in the same place for days, its title keeps changing from Analysing Scenes, to Composing Layout, to Gathering Favourites to Curating Best Photos, etc. I dare say it's been doing that since I got the iMac last year.

I had another crash in the last hour. I had Zoom and OBS on with Photos open just to check the activity monitor. photoanalysisd was way and above the biggest user.

In case it helps, I've put the crash error report below




Feb 24, 2021 3:32 AM in response to Allan Jones

Hi again Allan,

I was thinking it might be a really good idea to go back to a clean slate. I really only want to use this iMac for video and music production, so it makes sense to reformat and go back to factory settings. When I bought it, I transferred a lot of files and apps and settings from my old iMac, so if I avoid that this time and avoid Chrome and leave the Photos app alone it should be fine.

The other thing that happened when transferring the old stuff over was that the Mac set up a second user account and I had problems with permissions on my external hard drives.

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