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macOS randomly freezing - it just never stops

I can't take this constant freeze, start, freeze, start, - and repeat. Who do I have to bribe to make this just go away?

MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 10.14

Posted on Mar 23, 2021 9:59 PM

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Posted on Mar 25, 2021 6:16 PM

My Apple experiences were different. I'm bought countless Mac products since 2006. My 2020 iMac was the first Mac that ever had a problem that required support. All my other experiences were stellar.... I had a MacBook Pro with a dead keyboard and it was serviced quickly.


And even with my new iMac, I can't quite chide Apple for it. The problem was faulty memory from OWC. Twice replaced, it still caused the machine to lock up each and every time and even the memory-checking tools did not produce a problem. I fixed it by removing OWC memory and installing Apple OEM Micron memory and the problem immediately fixed. So technically, it wasn't an Apple problem. I just could not get anyone from either camp to definitely say that is was memory. I would think Apple support could run a diagnostic and say "yep... bad memory" but even their tools did not identify the problem.


Sorry you're having such bad luck with your machines. I've recommended Macs for countless people (based on their use) and every person has been happy. I buy Macs because they actually require less hand-holding than the WinTel camp. I run several flavors of Windows on my Mac as virtual machines so I still use both.


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Mar 25, 2021 6:16 PM in response to silver_mica

My Apple experiences were different. I'm bought countless Mac products since 2006. My 2020 iMac was the first Mac that ever had a problem that required support. All my other experiences were stellar.... I had a MacBook Pro with a dead keyboard and it was serviced quickly.


And even with my new iMac, I can't quite chide Apple for it. The problem was faulty memory from OWC. Twice replaced, it still caused the machine to lock up each and every time and even the memory-checking tools did not produce a problem. I fixed it by removing OWC memory and installing Apple OEM Micron memory and the problem immediately fixed. So technically, it wasn't an Apple problem. I just could not get anyone from either camp to definitely say that is was memory. I would think Apple support could run a diagnostic and say "yep... bad memory" but even their tools did not identify the problem.


Sorry you're having such bad luck with your machines. I've recommended Macs for countless people (based on their use) and every person has been happy. I buy Macs because they actually require less hand-holding than the WinTel camp. I run several flavors of Windows on my Mac as virtual machines so I still use both.


Mar 24, 2021 8:19 AM in response to silver_mica

More often than not, it is a 3rd party kernel extension that is not yielding the CPU, and/or is blocking some data path (such as network I/O or disk I/O because it is an anti-virus kernel extension and it wants to look at everything, but is not doing it fast enough.


The other possibility is that you have rotating hard disk, and it is failing.


Post the EtreCheck output gakushaburu has asked for (you only need the "Free" Etrecheck version to get a report)

https://EtreCheck.com


Post it in an Additional Text box

Mar 23, 2021 10:19 PM in response to silver_mica

There's too little information here to be able to give any real help as it could be a software or hardware problem, but there are a couple of places you could start.


Run Activity Monitor and look at the CPU tab to see if any process is using a very high percentage of CPU and/or is marked as "not responding" (which may appear intermittently).


Download and run EtreCheck to see if the report includes information on problems which could affect performance.


Both of these may take some time if your Mac is not running well.

Mar 25, 2021 9:15 AM in response to silver_mica

I do not know that any of the following is at fault. I'm just asking questions, and speculating.


You have the following kernel extensions. Kernel extensions have unlimited control of your Mac. They can grab the CPU and keep it for as long as they like. They can look at anything and everything they like

Kernel Extensions:
  /Library/Extensions
    [Loaded] LaCieMvumi.kext - com.lacie.driver.mvumi (1.3.21 - SDK 10.14)
    [Not Loaded] YamahaSteinbergUSBAudio.kext - jp.co.yamaha.driver.YamahaSteinbergUSBAudio (1.10.2 - SDK 10.9)

/Library/SystemMigration/History/Migration-29A973C4-FB65-43DA-8610-296B9D457920/QuarantineRoot/Library/StagedExtensions/Applications/Parallels
 Desktop.app
    [Loaded] prl_hypervisor.kext - com.parallels.kext.hypervisor (15.1.2 47123 - SDK 10.9)
    [Loaded] prl_netbridge.kext - com.parallels.kext.netbridge (15.1.2 47123 - SDK 10.9)
    [Not Loaded] prl_usb_connect.kext - com.parallels.kext.usbconnect (15.1.2 47123 - SDK 10.9)
    [Loaded] prl_vnic.kext - com.parallels.kext.vnic (15.1.2 47123 - SDK 10.9)

Does the LiCie kernel extension do any special service for you. Because normally, macOS already knows how to access an external disk and generally does not need any special assistance.


What does the Yamaha Steinberg kernel extension do for you? I assume it has something to do with music or sound, and that maybe you have some special external equipment that needs this kernel extension.


Parallels. For the most part Parallels is a good citizen, and we do not see many if any reports about Parallels. However, if you are running a guest operating system, and you have given that guest too much RAM for its own use, you can cause the rest of your Mac processes to be starved for memory. This can cause the Mac to do a lot of paging and swapping which in turn can cause delays when you switch apps or an app want to access its memory, but has to wait until the contents of that memory are paged back into memory.


You have the following 3rd party processes running on your system:

Launch Daemons:
  [Loaded] com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist (Apple - installed 2020-05-20)
  [Loaded] com.bombich.ccchelper.plist (Bombich Software, Inc. - installed 2020-05-02)
  [Loaded] com.lacie.driver.mvumi.plist (Apple - installed 2020-05-20)
  [Running] com.privateinternetaccess.vpn.daemon.plist (London Trust 
Media Incorporated - installed 2021-03-14)
  [Loaded] com.privateinternetaccess.vpn.installhelper.plist (? 0  - installed )

User Launch Agents:
  [Loaded] com.privateinternetaccess.vpn.client.plist (London Trust 
Media Incorporated - installed 2021-03-14)
  [Other] com.seagate.toolkit.plist (? 0  - installed 2020-05-02)

User Login Items:
  [Loaded] OneDrive Launcher (App Store - installed 2021-03-18)   Modern Login Item
    /Applications/OneDrive.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/OneDrive Launcher.app

  [Running] SpeechSynthesisServer (Apple - installed 2020-06-29)
    Application  
/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesisServer.app


Carbon Copy Cloner I use myself, and it does not cause me any problems.


Again, what is the LiCie software doing for you. macOS should be able to read and write disks all by itself.


And there is a Seagate toolkit? What is that doing for you? Again, macOS can access disk drives without help from 3rd party software.


You have a VPN. Are you funneling all your network traffic through the VPN? That could be a bottleneck for any app that needs to access the internet.


I do not use OneDrive, so I do not know what kind of load it is putting on your system. But if you make lots of changes to files in the Folder monitored by OneDrive, then OneDrive could be doing a lot of file sync'ing I/O as your modify files. This would put more load on your network connection, and if that network connection was going through a VPN, the VPN might bottleneck.

Mar 26, 2021 11:24 AM in response to silver_mica

Sorry it didn't help. It's a first start. If you haven't done so, re-install MacOS. Me personally, I would do a clean re-install and erase the entire storage drive and install cleanly to make sure any and all footprints from installations are wiped out.


Obviously, make sure you have backed-up your data.


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204904



Mar 24, 2021 7:25 PM in response to silver_mica

Please provide the requested EtreCheck output. We cannot see inside your Mac, and EtreCheck is the best way to provide information without violating your privacy (OK, we will see some of the 3rd party software you installed, but that is it).


As to new Macs, starting with the 2019 16" Macbook Pro, it uses the scissors keyboard, and does not have the bad butterfly keyboard. Every Mac released after that has the scissors keyboard. So if you want a new Mac, you do not have to be concerned about the keyboard.


I have a USB-C Thunderbolt 3 based Mac (2 of them if you count the company Mac), and I find the USB-C ports to offer far more flexibility, and because Apple forced the vendors hands, there is a huge verity of options available, including devices that just plug into a USB-C port without an adapter or dock. And the prices are reasonable. You can even get things like USB-C to HDMI or DisplayPort cables so no adapter necessary. You can charge with any of the ports. The charging cable can also be carrying data.


I have an external monitor that connecs using a USB-C cable (or HDMI and DisplayPort). The USB-C cable carries video and USB to the monitor. And the Monitor has 4 USB-A ports on it for me to plug in old USB-A cables. The monitor also provides power over the USB-C cable to my Mac. I plug in 1 cable to my Mac and I have Power, video, and USB ports. I can unplug one cable and walk away.


You can set the touch bar to display a traditional set of function keys. You do not have to have it constantly changing if you do not want that.


You can get EtreCheck from the App Store if you like. But it is also available as a direct download. If you search the forums for EtreCheck you will find thousands of posts. You can see the kind of information it provides.


Without EtreCheck, the volunteers here do not have much to go on, and getting information out of most users is painful, and a game of 20 questions with both the user and the volunteers getting frustrated.


Mojave is still getting Security updates. High Sierra has dropped off the supported list. If you decide to go back to High Sierra, then be very careful about your Internet access.


If you will not provide EtreCheck output, then we can start the 20 questions

  • Using the Apple menu -> About give the details on your Mac. Year, size, memory, storage (SSD or rotating hard disk), CPU, number of cores, etc...
  • Run Applications -> Utilities -> Activity Monitor -> View (menu) -> All Processes -> CPU (tab) and see if when you are having beach balls, if there is a process consuming all your CPU
  • Run Applications -> Utilities -> Activity Monitor -> View (menu) -> All Processes -> Memory (tab) and see if you have processes consuming gigabytes of memory, such that maybe your Mac is paging and swapping.
  • Provide the output from
/usr/sbin/kextstat | grep -v com.apple


There is most likely a lot more to ask for, and it would be easier if you gave EtreCheck output, but it is getting late, and I'm going to move on.

Mar 24, 2021 3:32 PM in response to BobHarris

I'm not using anti-virus junk. Generally, I'm VERY selective about software on my Mac. I do worry it could be an early sign of a real hardware failure though.


Too bad the newer MacBook Pros have a bad keyboard, overheating processor, gimmicky Touchbar, and lack ports. I'm still using my 2015 MacBook Pro because it has zero need for dongles. I use the USB, Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, 3.5mm, SD-Card throughout the week every week of the year. MagSafe is wonderful. If Apple were to design a laptop with a good keyboard that doesn't fail, include real ports, and include a MagSafe then I would have bought two maxed out spec'd MPB yesterday. But, I guess Apple needs to make money off of dongles - or something. Not for me. Never.


Anyway, back to the issue at hand. I'm so careful about software that I never bothered installing Etrecheck because it isn't on the Apple Software site.


I might try a re-install of the operating system. I'm currently using Mojave - but, I'd like to roll back to a previous OS - because Mojave is obnoxious about forcing you to change to a newer operating system (sadly, this is very reminiscent of Microsoft Windows). I have zero interest in anything newer than, say, High Sierra. Is it possible to use an older operating system? Or have we lost those privileges along with useful ports and useful function keys?




Mar 25, 2021 9:53 AM in response to BobHarris

Thanks for having a look. A while back I bought two used LaCie RAID Thunderbolt 2 external disks and recall using their software for configuration. I removed the LaCie software after configuration was complete. It could be the case that the uninstaller didn't uninstall and/or failed during the automated uninstall process. I don't remember. It's possible the Seagate is related to this event - not sure. Other than deleting whatever is in the Applications folder - I have no idea how to remove these 3rd party kernel extension . I've been considering on ditching OneDrive since I use a browser most often for OneDrive. Is it enough to simply delete the OneDrive application from the Applications folder? I use VPN for work. I haven't noticed any bottlenecks in ordinary use while browsing or downloading.

Mar 25, 2021 2:26 PM in response to silver_mica

It's a good first start. Is your Mac freezing every day?


I feel your pain. I bought a $7K 2020 iMac last August and for the first three months, it would freeze, shut down literally after 10 minutes of moderate use. Three months with zero help from both Apple, and the company I bought the RAM from (OWC). Figured it out the problem on my own... It can be frustrating so will try to help. :)

Mar 25, 2021 3:26 PM in response to DeeperDiver

I've got many horror stories - that, for the most part, I just try not to remember. But, if I recall correctly - out of ALL Apple products I bought from 2006 to 2017 - about 40% had REAL hardware problems and should have been exchanged immediately. It's a bit sickening. But, the upshot is the OS (although, I suspect any newer macOS will be very Microsoft Windows-esque).


Yeah, anyway, I'm only here because I just experienced a freezing episode a moment ago while typing out an email. When my MacBook freezes while typing usually the buffer continues collecting keystrokes - and whenever Microsoft Windows - uh.. I MEAN macOS snaps out of it - the buffer quickly dumps out the text I was typing.


A friend of mine was asking if he should get a Mac (for music). I was a bit hesitant to say anything or give advice - unless I really believe the person can simply afford roughly $10k without thinking too much about it. I did say this however: A MacBook can be quite beautiful, but when it's not it's just pure misery.


Let's just spin this as that hot/cold passion that the other machines lack - like that $200k sports car that always needs to be repaired and leaks oil in your garage. Tuschay!


Remember, never leave home without all of your dongles . . .







Mar 26, 2021 11:49 AM in response to DeeperDiver

Before starting this thread I was considering a reinstall. It'll take while for me to get to that point.


Actually, I have two identical MBPs - so that should help. My first MBP I bought new in 2015 for $3200 and it came with a bad GPU - I didn't catch that until a few weeks after the one year warranty ended when I bought Final Cut Pro X. The sad part was that I had totally intended to buy Apple Care - but, back then they gave you one year to do so - and, well, it just slipped my mind.


I was posting non-stop on Apple Discussions about the bad GPU. Yeah, about 40% of all Apple hardware have some sort of severe hardware issue rendering the devices half broken - and if you're not wise to this you'll just eat thousands of dollars - as I did. Yeah, so, anyway, the bad MBP I own is stable enough to use provided you don't use the GPU for much. It came in handy when there was a battery recall about a year ago.


Believe it or not, when I upgrade to a newer MBP (when they come out with ports and MagSafe) - I plan to buy two for this very purpose. The failure rate is high enough that, realistically, you just need two identical laptops. That's kind of true for any brand of laptop.


This is one of those topics that I never tell non-Apple friends about - they'd just label me a fool and try to tell me Windows is better. Well, Windows is totally horrid. I'd rather have sharp sticks in my eyes while trying to use a dysfunctional Apple computer than use Microsoft Windows. My non-Apple friends don't know anything else but Windows.


Wow, that was a great rant. Maybe if I can keep the rants up I can quit drinking . . .


Mar 26, 2021 4:09 PM in response to silver_mica

silver_mica wrote:

Had another freeze today. Well, Apple was nice while it lasted.

Other than the PRAM and SMC resets, have you done or investigated anything else since posting the EtreCheck report? PRAM and SMC both deal with firmware settings but in my opinion this is more likely to be a software problem or a failing hard disk.


The EtreCheck report showed that an application (or applications) was using significant amounts of memory? Have you checked which? Running out of memory will cause the freezes you're seeing. Also when the freeze happened again, were you doing something or using an application which you hadn't since the resets?

macOS randomly freezing - it just never stops

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