Setting up a NAS for Time Machine Back Up - Big Sur

I have a Sagemcom F@st 5260 Router and an external USB HDD and I want to connect my HDD to the router so I can wirelessly back up my MacBook.


I have struggled for some time but what I found is:

  • I have been able to format the drive to FAT32 where router accepts drive, MacBook connects to it and sees it but Time Machine does not list it as an option to back up to. I am able to paste files onto drive so it does work as network storage.
  • If I plug in the drive into my MacBook and set it up as a TM back up drive first, then plug it into my router, the router still sees it but when I try connecting to it (cmd K as before) it gives me an error about permissions. Please see pics attached.


What am I missing? I am fairly convinced that what I am trying to do shouldn't be that complicated.


My system is a 2015 MBP running Big Sur 11.2.3


MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 11.2

Posted on Apr 6, 2021 4:54 AM

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Posted on Apr 7, 2021 7:29 AM

I assume that there is nothing special I need to do in Time Machine to see network attached drives?

You need to ensure your NAS supports the "Time Machine over SMB" specification (usually that means it is using Samba 4.8 or later). Your title states "NAS," but you keep saying Router in your responses. There are almost no routers that support Time Machine over SMB. Most don't even support anything but SMB 1 which is completely insecure. Since it is internal to your LAN, the security piece doesn't really matter, much. However, any SMB 1 implementation would not support the Time Machine over SMB specification. If your router supports SMB 3, then it might have support for the Time Machine over SMB specification.


The file system of the drive does not matter short of needing to support creating a Sparse Bundle Disk Image on the drive. Time Machine will create a disk image on the network share which uses the correct file system it needs. The source and destination file system format do not need to be the same. You can back up APFS to HFS+. The file system is not transported, only the file data.


I'm sure the router has no idea how to handle APFS. A big clue is it thinks it is FAT16. You need to format the drive per the NAS specifications.

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Apr 7, 2021 7:29 AM in response to herms111

I assume that there is nothing special I need to do in Time Machine to see network attached drives?

You need to ensure your NAS supports the "Time Machine over SMB" specification (usually that means it is using Samba 4.8 or later). Your title states "NAS," but you keep saying Router in your responses. There are almost no routers that support Time Machine over SMB. Most don't even support anything but SMB 1 which is completely insecure. Since it is internal to your LAN, the security piece doesn't really matter, much. However, any SMB 1 implementation would not support the Time Machine over SMB specification. If your router supports SMB 3, then it might have support for the Time Machine over SMB specification.


The file system of the drive does not matter short of needing to support creating a Sparse Bundle Disk Image on the drive. Time Machine will create a disk image on the network share which uses the correct file system it needs. The source and destination file system format do not need to be the same. You can back up APFS to HFS+. The file system is not transported, only the file data.


I'm sure the router has no idea how to handle APFS. A big clue is it thinks it is FAT16. You need to format the drive per the NAS specifications.

Apr 9, 2021 6:34 AM in response to herms111

Generally not. USB ports on routers are typically used for updating the router firmware or sharing a USB printer.


If you want other machines to "see" the hard drive, and they are Macs, you can add the drive to file sharing in the Get Info of the drive in the Finder, and enable file sharing. Mind you the speed of the file sharing is depending on the speed of the network itself. WiFi in general only sees speeds up to 300 Mbps. If your router is hooked up via ethernet to both machines, you'll see up to 1000 Mbps usually, which is about 125 MBps, and that's if the route is not directing any traffic to the internet or other computers at the time. For every simultaneous data transfer, that cuts down on the bandwidth.


SMB file sharing is also available for Windows support on a Mac network. I'm not entirely familiar with how that will work, but it is an option that may work for you.


Time machine though has to be on a Mac formatted drive.


FTP is also an available transfer medium over the network for individual files that is platform independent.




Apr 6, 2021 5:58 AM in response to herms111

FAT32 does not carry over resource forks common with Mac files.


If you need the NAS to share data with Windows PCs, that's one thing, but if it is only going to be with a Mac, you may be able to format it HFS Extended Journalled.


If not, I would contact the NAS manufacturer for some Mac specific tools.


The most commonly used NAS storage device on the Mac, is one Apple used to make, known as a Time Capsule.





Apr 7, 2021 5:23 AM in response to a brody

I found that if I format the drive to MacOs Extended Journaled then it does appear and I can connect to it through finder. It does not however appear as an option for Time Machine. I assume that there is nothing special I need to do in Time Machine to see network attached drives?


I looked at my other Time Machine back up (that I manually plug in via USB) and it is APFS. If I format my NAS as APFS then my router identifies it as FAT16 but it does recognize the drive as present. If I try connect to it in this case then I get the error above.


I am starting to suspect that it is my router that cannot handle APFS?

Apr 9, 2021 6:27 AM in response to Barney-15E

Please excuse my naivety in using the term NAS. I have a stock standard, 2.5" external hard drive that I use as a time machine back up via USB. All I wish to do is to plug this hard drive into my router's USB port and use the drive over the network instead. In this way I can maintain my backups wirelessly as I find unplugging everything when I leave the house every time very irksome.


I assumed since if I plug the hard drive into the router and I can use the hard drive over the network for plain storage that I would also be able to use it for time machine.


Is what I'm trying to do possible or is it a completely different system/setup that I need?

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