Permanently Locked Out of Apple ID, have contacted Apple Support a handful of times over last year.

Title says it all. I am posting this for my friend who is locked out of her icloud account and cannot get back into it. She had a straight talk phone number that expired and the icloud account was connected to this phone number. She made the mistake of changing and forgetting her password and unfortunately her phone number through her straight talk service expired. She can no longer get this phone number get and it is the only thing that will help us get access back to her account. We have tried everything, but the recovery process seemingly resets every single time without any messages from Apple. Every new person I contact tries to walk me through the same process and I have to re-explain my situation every time. We even have tried to give up and purchased a new phone plan altogether, make a new icloud account but she still cannot sign out of her old icloud on her phone because she has 'Find my iPhone' turned on. It seems to make it to random points in the recovery process every time. She is somehow stuck now being able to do anything on her phone without verifying its her and she cannot sign out of the account. It's perhaps the most absurd process I have ever been in and I would really appreciate if someone would help us or at least point us in the right direction. We have spent so much time, effort and even money on this problem and I am astonished that someone can actually be locked out of their account in this manner. I have talked to senior representatives on the phone but the last person I was in contact with is no longer communicating back with me. We even have access to the phone AND the iCloud email associated with the Apple ID. Nothing matters, all Apple cares about is the expired phone number that has been added back into the system for a new person to one day get. I try calling that old phone number about once a month hoping that someone has gotten it and will answer, so I can finally receive my verification code. But how sad is it that I have more hope in a potential stranger than I do in Apple support.


PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE MY POST AGAIN, AT LEAST HELP ME. I WILL POST IT EVERYDAY ON A NEW ACCOUNT IF I HAVE TO. WE PAY TOO MUCH MONEY FOR THIS SERVICE TO BE CONSTANTLY IGNORED. I HAVE MULTIPLE TRANSCRIPTS OF MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH SUPPORT, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO DO?

Posted on Apr 12, 2021 3:16 AM

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Posted on Apr 12, 2021 9:35 AM

Thanks again for your help, I suppose we will try that as a last ditch effort to save her phone. We do not care much about the iCloud account, it just prevents her from doing many things. We had a discussion about the importance of account security haha. But I am still rather disappointed in the results of Apple, one would expect more. Imagine if you accidentally locked your keys in your car and every locksmith told you that you have to buy a new car, or house. Or if you were locked out of your bank account and could no longer access your savings. Of course this would never happen because there are other ways of proving you are in fact the owner. I imagine there are many people who have reached a similar conclusion and somewhere lies thousands of wasted, lost data, in some data center.

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Apr 12, 2021 9:35 AM in response to Limnos

Thanks again for your help, I suppose we will try that as a last ditch effort to save her phone. We do not care much about the iCloud account, it just prevents her from doing many things. We had a discussion about the importance of account security haha. But I am still rather disappointed in the results of Apple, one would expect more. Imagine if you accidentally locked your keys in your car and every locksmith told you that you have to buy a new car, or house. Or if you were locked out of your bank account and could no longer access your savings. Of course this would never happen because there are other ways of proving you are in fact the owner. I imagine there are many people who have reached a similar conclusion and somewhere lies thousands of wasted, lost data, in some data center.

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Apr 12, 2021 9:01 AM in response to CamBeast

Depending upon how valuable the old Apple ID is you could just abandon it and get Apple to reset the device via. Activation Lock support request. I know your friend may not like this but this could be a learning process in keeping your telephone accounts paid for, noting down username and passwords to accounts in the 21st century which are starting to have real value attached to them and are not just a way to post to a BBS over a modem, and keeping store receipts (hey, I still take my car to Sears and insist they honor a lifetime wheel alignment policy I bought in 1986 and still have the receipt for!) :-/

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Apr 12, 2021 8:36 AM in response to Limnos

Thanks for your help, but there is no new information provided, I’ve looked through all those steps and have tried multiple ways to recover the account. My friend now realizes the importance of 2 factor auth, it’s just unfortunate how much of a headache the process is. And I am completely aware that this is a forum for the “community”, but I am left with little hope of contacting Apple through other methods, maybe if this got enough views someone would help me. I am not exaggerating when I say this has been an ongoing problem for over a year and I have been in contact with Apple support a handful of times. Everyone says different things as if no proper training was given. There are no Apple stores within close proximity and I’d be willing to bet my estate that even after riding the 3 hours to it, with all the correct documentation, they would still not effectively help me.


We have made it further than this step before, but now we are stuck at the point where we wait a 24h period and after 24h nothing happens, the process just resets and I have to do it all over again.


I can assure you the fault is not on my end, I understand completely how “account recovery” is supposed to work, I mean I’ve recovered hundreds of accounts on multiple platforms (even my personal iCloud account), the recovery process is just not working for me.

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Apr 12, 2021 8:12 AM in response to CamBeast

First note that almost nobody posting here works for Apple, we're just users like you, trying to help others. This is a user-to-user support forum. We only use our familiarity with Apple products and support documents to advise you.


An Apple ID is not associated with any hardware so the only way hardware plays into this is if her account was using her phone as a trusted device for Two Factor Authentication. Read the article 'Two-factor authentication for Apple ID' (click here --> https://support.apple.com/HT204915 ) thoroughly. Various sections contain information that is key to you being able to set up and use a different telephone to get a verification code you can use. Failing that you can ask for account recovery.


"If your iPhone is your only trusted device and it is missing or damaged, you will be unable to receive verification codes required to access your account."


Read the sections about:

- Trusted phone numbers

- Manage your account > Keep your trusted numbers up to date and add a phone number.

- What if I can't access a trusted device or didn't receive a verification code?

And if necessary:

- If I can't sign in, how do I regain access to my account?


Sign into your account at https://appleid.apple.com/ and add your new number, then sign out of iCloud and back in again on your devices.


Get a verification code and sign in with two-factor authentication - https://support.apple.com/HT204974


Recover your Apple ID when you can’t reset your password - "If you use two-factor authentication and can’t sign in or reset your password, you can regain access after an account recovery waiting period." - https://support.apple.com/HT204921


If account recovery is not working for you then have her use her original receipt for the phone to get Apple to remove the Apple ID and set up a new account. Apple can completely erase a device if a person can provide sufficient evidence of valid ownership. Do this online at: Activation Lock support request - https://al-support.apple.com/#/additional-support Apple says, "Proof of ownership documentation is required," but does not state what constitutes proof. Prior to this new online service Apple typically required the original receipt issued by an Apple Authorized dealer and documented provenance (so typically it would be the original owner who does this, or a descendant with legal proof of ownership).



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Apr 12, 2021 8:56 AM in response to CamBeast

And the Apple ID must be associated with the hardware, as the service “Find my iPhone” has been activated and she is not able to simply sign out of the iPhone. She is prompted to enter her forgotten iCloud password to deactivate it. So she is unable to sign out of her old account to sign into her new one that she made after we lost hope in this whole ordeal. When she thought she was “securing” her account before by adding 2factor auth and find my iPhone, she was actually locking herself out and throwing away the key, in the eyes of Apple. She did not anticipate losing her straight talk service phone number, it was out of her control and we have contacted them as many times as Apple, they state that they are unable to give her back the phone number. So one day, someone else by random chance will have that number and will hold the “key” to her account. And to my knowledge, only one phone number can be connected to any given Apple ID, so would said person be unable to create an iCloud account associated with her old number? How could this even be allowed? Does this not seem wrong?

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Apr 12, 2021 10:07 AM in response to CamBeast

Apple is getting very rigid about security. iPhones are popular for theft these days and I suspect thieves get very imaginative about trying to get Apple to unlock them so they can sell them. Also as I mentioned earlier, online accounts are changing nature. Now you have entire bank accounts as well as thousands of dollars worth of hardware tied to devices and their accounts. This is on top of other privacy and security concerns. So Apple is being strict about accounts and also rigid about account access unless you can follow strict guidelines. No, I don't use two factor but then probably the worst that somebody could do would be to take over my 8 year old iPads and post on this web site as me! :-D

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