Upgrade To Mesh network - re-purpose AirPort Extremes

I am upgrading to an Eero Pro Wifi6 Mesh Network. If I reset my 2 AirPort Extremes, connect them via Ethernet cable and set them to join the new Mesh network (in bridge mode), do the AirPort Extremes essentially become network hubs?


In the room where I will have Mesh Router and one AirPort Extreme, currently connected via Ethernet cable to the AirPort Extreme are an Apple TV4K and an old Time Capsule in disk mode (Used to back up a MacBook Pro).


Q1 - Am I correct that the AirPort Extreme will essentially be acting as a network hub? Do I turn off wifi networking on the AirPort Extreme or set it to the same network name as the Mesh?

Q2 - I assume I need to reconfigure network settings on the Apple TV4K to the new Mesh network and it should work. Is this correct?

Q2 - After configuring the MacBook Pro to the Mesh network, will I run into any issues trying to reconfigure backups?


In another room where I will have a Mesh satellite, I have another AirPort Extreme. Connected to that via Ethernet cable are a Mac Mini, and a Ethernet over power device that allows connection to a NetGear device in a back yard shed. If the AirPort Extremes are essentially acting as network hubs, then I should only have to reset them to connect to the Mesh network.


I have 3 AirPort Express units that I use for Airplay connection to old audio equipment. From what I have read, these can be reset to join the Mesh network wirelessly. Is this correct?


I have another Apple TV4K, and two 3rd generation Apple TV’s that would need to connect wirelessly. Will I run into any issues there?


Thank you in advance for your insights.


Tim

Posted on Apr 14, 2021 9:35 AM

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Posted on Apr 14, 2021 10:26 AM

Q1 - Am I correct that the AirPort Extreme will essentially be acting as a network hub? Do I turn off wifi networking on the AirPort Extreme or set it to the same network name as the Mesh?


Not sure what you mean by "network hub". If you connect the AirPort Extreme(s) to the network using Ethernet and turn off the WiFi on the AirPort Extreme, the Extreme(s) will act like a simple Ethernet switch, to which Ethernet devices could be connected. There would be no reason to configure the AirPort Extreme to provide a wireless signal, since the Mesh network would be taking care of that function. If you did configure the AirPort Extreme to provide a WiFi network using the same name as the Mesh network, the AirPort Extreme would not perform as part of the Mesh WiFi network.


Q2 - I assume I need to reconfigure network settings on the Apple TV4K to the new Mesh network and it should work. Is this correct?


In theory yes if the Mesh system is backwards compatible to older WiFi standards. But, it would be better to connect the Apple TV to the network using a wired Ethernet cable connection if possible. Can't speak for Eero, but my neighbor was able to connect his Apple TV to a Netgear mesh WiFi system. He does have "freezes" on the video from time to time, so he is planning to connect the Apple TV using Ethernet in the near future.


Q2 - After configuring the MacBook Pro to the Mesh network, will I run into any issues trying to reconfigure backups?


What kind of backups? Will the backup hard drive be a USB type drive that connects directly to the Mac? Is it possible that your "AirPort Extreme" is really a "Time Capsule"......a WiFi router with built in hard drive designed to handle backups made using Time Machine? An AirPort Extreme is a router only......no hard drive on board that product.


In another room where I will have a Mesh satellite, I have another AirPort Extreme. Connected to that via Ethernet cable are a Mac Mini, and a Ethernet over power device that allows connection to a NetGear device in a back yard shed. If the AirPort Extremes are essentially acting as network hubs, then I should only have to reset them to connect to the Mesh network.


You will need to reset the AirPort Extreme(s) and then reconfigure them to connect to the Mesh network using an Ethernet connection. Once the AirPorts are set up, they will still be providing a WiFi network by default. You can then go in using AirPort Utility and turn off the WiFi function on the AirPort. In other words, Apple makes you set up the AirPort Extreme initially with WiFi. No way to get around that, so you have to later turn off the WiFi if you don't need the WiFi signal from the AirPort(s).


I have 3 AirPort Express units that I use for Airplay connection to old audio equipment. From what I have read, these can be reset to join the Mesh network wirelessly. Is this correct?


In theory yes, if the Mesh network is backwards compatible with older WiFi standards.


I have another Apple TV4K, and two 3rd generation Apple TV’s that would need to connect wirelessly. Will I run into any issues there?


In theory no, if the Mesh system is backwards compatible to older WiFi standards.


Keep in mind that Apple never offered WiFi 6 products, and even the most recent version of the AirPort Extreme was designed over 8 years ago. The most recent version of the AirPort Express was designed over 9 years ago. Mesh was largely unknown at the time, and Apple never made any hardware modifications or offered any specific updates that would allow AirPorts....or Apple TVs.....to connect to a mesh system.















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Apr 14, 2021 10:26 AM in response to whogastim2

Q1 - Am I correct that the AirPort Extreme will essentially be acting as a network hub? Do I turn off wifi networking on the AirPort Extreme or set it to the same network name as the Mesh?


Not sure what you mean by "network hub". If you connect the AirPort Extreme(s) to the network using Ethernet and turn off the WiFi on the AirPort Extreme, the Extreme(s) will act like a simple Ethernet switch, to which Ethernet devices could be connected. There would be no reason to configure the AirPort Extreme to provide a wireless signal, since the Mesh network would be taking care of that function. If you did configure the AirPort Extreme to provide a WiFi network using the same name as the Mesh network, the AirPort Extreme would not perform as part of the Mesh WiFi network.


Q2 - I assume I need to reconfigure network settings on the Apple TV4K to the new Mesh network and it should work. Is this correct?


In theory yes if the Mesh system is backwards compatible to older WiFi standards. But, it would be better to connect the Apple TV to the network using a wired Ethernet cable connection if possible. Can't speak for Eero, but my neighbor was able to connect his Apple TV to a Netgear mesh WiFi system. He does have "freezes" on the video from time to time, so he is planning to connect the Apple TV using Ethernet in the near future.


Q2 - After configuring the MacBook Pro to the Mesh network, will I run into any issues trying to reconfigure backups?


What kind of backups? Will the backup hard drive be a USB type drive that connects directly to the Mac? Is it possible that your "AirPort Extreme" is really a "Time Capsule"......a WiFi router with built in hard drive designed to handle backups made using Time Machine? An AirPort Extreme is a router only......no hard drive on board that product.


In another room where I will have a Mesh satellite, I have another AirPort Extreme. Connected to that via Ethernet cable are a Mac Mini, and a Ethernet over power device that allows connection to a NetGear device in a back yard shed. If the AirPort Extremes are essentially acting as network hubs, then I should only have to reset them to connect to the Mesh network.


You will need to reset the AirPort Extreme(s) and then reconfigure them to connect to the Mesh network using an Ethernet connection. Once the AirPorts are set up, they will still be providing a WiFi network by default. You can then go in using AirPort Utility and turn off the WiFi function on the AirPort. In other words, Apple makes you set up the AirPort Extreme initially with WiFi. No way to get around that, so you have to later turn off the WiFi if you don't need the WiFi signal from the AirPort(s).


I have 3 AirPort Express units that I use for Airplay connection to old audio equipment. From what I have read, these can be reset to join the Mesh network wirelessly. Is this correct?


In theory yes, if the Mesh network is backwards compatible with older WiFi standards.


I have another Apple TV4K, and two 3rd generation Apple TV’s that would need to connect wirelessly. Will I run into any issues there?


In theory no, if the Mesh system is backwards compatible to older WiFi standards.


Keep in mind that Apple never offered WiFi 6 products, and even the most recent version of the AirPort Extreme was designed over 8 years ago. The most recent version of the AirPort Express was designed over 9 years ago. Mesh was largely unknown at the time, and Apple never made any hardware modifications or offered any specific updates that would allow AirPorts....or Apple TVs.....to connect to a mesh system.















Apr 28, 2021 7:18 AM in response to whogastim2

Rather than an Eero Mesh Routers, I decided on using Google Fiber’s Mesh Routers that came free with the installation of the fiber, including setup. The first device got set up and was configured relatively quickly, establishing the new internet connection. The installer had quite a bit of trouble getting the second device to mesh. He called in a tech supervisor, who then had to call his own tech support. Whatever the issue was, it was resolved by downloading an older version of their wifi software, which fortunately was still available on the Apple Store.


After that I went about resetting all of my legacy devices to the new network. This all went relatively smoothly and everything is back up and running.


Tip 1: Keep an updated list of your network devices. Between way too many Apple devices (6 AirPorts, 2 iPhones, 2 iPads, 2 Mac Books, 3 Apple TV’s), I also had to configure 3 TVs, 2 Netgear extenders, 3 Ring devices, and a printer.


Tip 2: Before disabling your legacy network and reconfiguring your main Apple wifi router, reconfigure your other Apple network devices to join the new network as access points. Then do the legacy router. The AirPort Utility software worked flawlessly. After reconfiguration, my 2 AirPort Extremes are now functioning as network switches. An old Time Capsule was being used only as a backup disk, and still is. 3 AirPort Express routers were previously used to extend the network and to connect to audio equipment for AirPlay. Now they are access points. Airplay worked immediately, as expected.


Tip 3: Know where you stored the little tool that allows you to take the faceplate off your Ring Doorbell. It took quite awhile to find it.

Apr 14, 2021 11:44 AM in response to whogastim2

Good luck! If you have not already started to set things up, my suggestion on the order would be......


Set up the mesh system and check to make sure that all WiFi devices are connecting correctly

Set up the AirPort Extreme and check to make sure that the Ethernet ports are working correctly

Set up the Time Capsule by connecting it to either an Ethernet port on the AirPort Extreme or an Ethernet port on one of the mesh units

Set up the Apple TV4 next

Set up the other Apple TVs and AirPort Expresses one at a time

Apr 14, 2021 11:36 AM in response to Bob Timmons

Thanks Bob. I did mean Network Switch (instead of hub) for the AirPort Extremes connected via Ethernet with wifi off.


The backup connection would be MacBook Pro > Mesh Network Router > Ethernet to AirPort Extreme (wifi off) > Ethernet to Time Capsule/hard drive (wifi off). On the MacBook Pro I would configure Time Machine to reconnect to the Time Capsule/Hard Drive.


One Apple TV4K connection would be Mesh Router > Ethernet to AirPort Extreme (wifi off) > Ethernet to Apple TV4K > HDMI to TV


The other AirPort Extreme would be Mesh Satellite unit > Ethernet to AirPort Extreme > Ethernet to Mac Mini and to Ethernet over power.


Wish me luck. If it all works and everything gets reconnected, I’ll update my post.

Apr 28, 2021 7:35 AM in response to whogastim2

I already forgot two other network devices I had to reconfigure - a digital picture frame, and an old TiVo DVR that I don’t think I will use anymore. We are streaming YouTube TV and it has unlimited cloud DVR.


I would have to buy an HDMI splitter to connect in an Apple TV 4K, then an HDMI to composite video converter to connect to the TiVo box, with no guarantee that I could record streaming TV. I may try just for the sake of curiosity.

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